Mary Jane Violence

[DJA]

No doubt the pancreas was cut during the left kidney removal.

[Sam Flynn]

yes but he had the time and the light available to him and perhaps a text book or two to help him/.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

Given time, light and textbooks, I'd rather hope that anyone could remove a kidney without concurrently stabbing the pancreas, liver and spleen.

[DJA]

How do you think butchers cut out organs?

To use your analogy, the Ripper did was not a virtuoso performance, but little more than the act of a novice getting a couple of crude, raspy notes from a flute.

Firstly,it was not my intention to insult you. Doubt you dobbed me in. Thought you prolly had me on ignore by now

Mockery on the other hand .....

Honestly,with my health problems,I'd be very happy with Sutton guiding my treatments.

I have actually worked in an abattoir and know ..... from experience.
The firm was KR Darling Downs in outer Brisbane.
Beef and pigs.

[Trevor Marriott]

Will the medically unversed Ed Gingrich do? He cut an opening of seven inches into his wifes abdomen in their own house and extracted all her inner organs through it. Including her left kidney.

yes but he had the time and the light available to him and perhaps a text book or two to help him/.

www.trevormarriott.co.uk

[Sam Flynn]

What absolute rubbish. Next you will be telling us how to play the flute ...... blow in one end and move your fingers around a lot. .

How do you think butchers cut out organs?

To use your analogy, what the Ripper did was not a virtuoso performance, but little more than the act of a novice getting a couple of crude, raspy notes from a flute.

[DJA]

Engage in intelligent and spirited debate while avoiding insults and mockery.
Please.

JM

Given the amount of information on these boards,I genuinely did not know where to start at 12.31am.

After opening the abdominal cavity and removing part of the descending and traverse colon,one can reach up behind the pancreas and deal with the membrane that hides the kidney.
Once getting through that,the vein,artery and ureter need to be cut before the kidney can be removed.
All this in the darkest corner of Mitre Square.

That's just the kidney.

I really did not believe Sam's post was intelligent or spirited ..... unless you are referring to single malt

[jmenges]

What absolute rubbish!

Next you will be telling us how to play the flute ...... blow in one end and move your fingers around a lot.

Engage in intelligent and spirited debate while avoiding insults and mockery.
Please.

JM

[packers stem]

Oh come on. Indulge us, it is a thread about Mary Jane Kelly after all. It would be good to get back on track.

Tristan

Because the photos and the Bond report contradict other facts .......

Anyone who describes the body as naked, not once but twice, is best ignored in my opinion so I can't see any discussion progressing anywhere

[packers stem]

As to specifics, there are very few practical choices when it comes to the removal of abdominal organs in a public place; you're pretty much limited to kidneys, uterus and bladder. Their removal, from the killer's perspective, amounted to little more than tugging at the organ with one hand to stretch any attachments - making them easier to cut - then slicing through the attachments to free up the organ.

Pancreas, spleen , liver ,heart, small intestine ,large intestine, stomach... to the uneducated in anatomy ,all prizes

Don't forget cutting underneath the ribcage to remove the kidney that could have been nothing more than a growth

[packers stem]

Will the medically unversed Ed Gingrich do? He cut an opening of seven inches into his wifes abdomen in their own house and extracted all her inner organs through it. Including her left kidney.

Doesn't even come close.
In their own house is quite different
ample time to stick his hand in and pull out everything he came across.

I'm watching 'holby city' on BBC1 ,I expect to be an expert surgeon in 30 minutes

[Sam Flynn]

That the authorities decided to seek a certain type of suspect tells us more about them than the killer.

[DJA]

As to specifics, there are very few practical choices when it comes to the removal of abdominal organs in a public place; you're pretty much limited to kidneys, uterus and bladder. Their removal, from the killer's perspective, amounted to little more than tugging at the organ with one hand to stretch any attachments - making them easier to cut - then slicing through the attachments to free up the organ.

What absolute rubbish!

Next you will be telling us how to play the flute ...... blow in one end and move your fingers around a lot.

[Michael W Richards]

As to specifics, there are very few practical choices when it comes to the removal of abdominal organs in a public place; you're pretty much limited to kidneys, uterus and bladder. Their removal, from the killer's perspective, amounted to little more than tugging at the organ with one hand to stretch any attachments - making them easier to cut - then slicing through the attachments to free up the organ.

But that doesn't explain Sam, and this is for Tristan also, why they ...again with that word "specifically", sought out people who did have surgical knowledge... after only Annies murder. You see Im not contending that there was surgical grade skills on all the evisceration murderss, there clearly wasn't. Marys murderer required a knife, that's it. But there was with Annie.

[Losmandris]

No precise incision to begin with ... well ,how about haste , four layers of clothing to negotiate and light if you believe the location viable

Millers Court is a different ball game that I'm not going into on this thread and you can't compare other killers who had time and their own surroundings, not to mention literature at their disposal.
If you want to compare other killers you would have to come back with one who cut out organs at the roadside.... I think you may struggle to find one

Oh come on. Indulge us, it is a thread about Mary Jane Kelly after all. It would be good to get back on track.

Tristan

[Losmandris]

As to specifics, there are very few practical choices when it comes to the removal of abdominal organs in a public place; you're pretty much limited to kidneys, uterus and bladder. Their removal, from the killer's perspective, amounted to little more than tugging at the organ with one hand to stretch any attachments - making them easier to cut - then slicing through the attachments to free up the organ.

I totally agree. If he wasn't in there grabbing and slicing away, there would be no time for him to get away with it. And this could also seem to explain what he did to MJK, she was the result of him being able to take his time and really 'indulge' himself. I have no doubt that there would have been more MJKs if he had had more time. There is nothing surgical in what he did!

Tristan