Mary Jane Violence

[Abby Normal]

Hi all, to try and get back to the point, we're not debating the identity of the fifth C5,but wether she was eviscerated out of pure opportunity or because she represented more than the other victims what the killer wanted to destroy?

see my post right above yours-you may have missed it

[DJA]

The window was broken?

Yep.

The one nearest the door had two broken panes.

You could reach the door lock through one of them.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Hi all, to try and get back to the point, we're not debating the identity of the fifth C5,but wether she was eviscerated out of pure opportunity or because she represented more than the other victims what the killer wanted to destroy?

[Abby Normal]

Hi all,
Just a thought, but something I have wanted to discuss, what was the reason for the level of violence displayed on Mary Kelly?
If we are to take the C5 as victims of the Whitechapel Killer, and in my opinion Martha Tabram, we see a steady progression of violence as is generally accepted in serial killers. It appears to be typically accepted on these pages that the reason for the evicerasion of Mary Kelly was purely opportunity, the killer had at last a chance to fulfill his lust. What I'd like to debate, if we accept that the killer hated women and wanted to destroy them, the initial chain of victims fit this, but with all respect they were not stereotypical beauties, as such not the kind of women the killer might have envied. But reports from the time suggest that Mary Kelly did not fit this profile, she was young, healthy and attractive. The killer vented an awful rage against all his victims, as if any woman was beyond his social skills, but perhaps in winning the confidence of Mary Kelly he was confronted with someone who represents all he could never have, could this have amplified his rage?
To summarise, was the violence inflicted upon Mary Kelly purely opportunity or could she have represented more than the other victims what the killer envied or hated?

For the record, I don't have a particular suspect, theory or conspiracy.

hi ABE
welcome! I think just has to do with the fact he had a private place with door that could lock and a lot of time and privacy. I too think they probably knew each other to some extent-the evidence and circs seem to point that way. but if that played some part in the extent of her injuries I don't know-probably not. it has more to do with escalation and privacy/time.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Abby,

So, prove the victim was Mary Kelly.

All we know is what we've been told.

Who's to say it's true?

If it was true, surely Debra Arif would have found her by now.

Simon

[DJA]

He knew Mary personally. She knew him.

Yet when I link them,you have a completely different viewpoint

[Abby Normal]

Hello Simon,

But you are in agreement that a woman was killed in Millers Court who was identified as Mary Jane Kelly are you not? Whether that was in fact her real name is another matter.

c.d.

hi cd I think the difference might be too subtle for some.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

The window was broken?

[Abby Normal]

oh god here we go again with the it wasn't mary Kelly nonsense.

[DJA]

The windows were also found locked

Wanna have another go at that

[DJA]

The unimaginable level of violence perpetrated in Room 13 was in order to render the victim unrecognisable, and thus identifiable only by association with the address.

The Millers Court victim was not Mary Jane Kelly.

If it had been, by now Debra Arif would have located her.

Prolly 'cause her name was Mary Ann Kelly,a local 29 year old.

How's the Prayer Book Rebellion coming along?
Does Gawen Carew have big part

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

I'd have thought it was accepted that the true identity/history of the fifth C5 was never established?

[c.d.]

The unimaginable level of violence perpetrated in Room 13 was in order to render the victim unrecognisable, and thus identifiable only by association with the address.

The Millers Court victim was not Mary Jane Kelly.

If it had been, by now Debra Arif would have located her.

Hello Simon,

But you are in agreement that a woman was killed in Millers Court who was identified as Mary Jane Kelly are you not? Whether that was in fact her real name is another matter.

c.d.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Hi Simon,if the killer wanted to render the victim unrecognisable would he have done it at their home address?

[Simon Wood]

The unimaginable level of violence perpetrated in Room 13 was in order to render the victim unrecognisable, and thus identifiable only by association with the address.

The Millers Court victim was not Mary Jane Kelly.

If it had been, by now Debra Arif would have located her.