Parts NOT attacked

[Malcolm X]

it would be crazy to carry out a morning mutilation with all her neighbours out and about outside her broken window and probably even knocking on her door, just like busy Albert Square

you can forget a morning mutilation, dont ever think about it again, it's absolute rubbish
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[Bridewell]

Cucumber Sandwiches

Hello K.

"Or are you hinting at the Royal Conspiracy?"

Oh, good heavens, no. As much as I like and admire Queen Victoria, it is my estimate that there was not enough grey matter collectively present in the Royal Family to concoct ANYTHING--except, perhaps, a cucumber sandwich.

No, I've other fish to fry.

Cheers.
LC

Can they even concoct the proverbial sandwich? Isn't that what servants are for?

[Bridewell]

Hi,
I would suggest that the police presence on the streets were a lot to do with, not only the change of venue, but also time.
The Ripper was considered a night stalker, even Chapman would have fallen into that frame, he was expected to strike down alleyways , somewhere dark and secluded.
But he would not have been expected to strike in broad daylight, inside a room, not only by the police but by potential victims.
This I would say led to the downfall of Mary Kelly.
The clues are there.
But Casebook dismisses them
Regards Richard.

Hi Richard,

Have I, at last, found somebody else who thinks that Kelly was killed much later than Dr Bond's dubious estimate of the onset time for rigor mortis? I find it bizarre that Caroline Maxwell and Maurice Lewis, both of whom knew Mary Kelly, are disregarded because their evidence doesn't fit with a murder during the hours of darkness. To return to the main subject of this thread, I suspect that Jack carried out additional mutilations in Kelly's case because he knew he would never have a better opportunity.

[K-453]

Grey matter?

I've just read smart serial killers get caught faster than dumb ones.

[lynn cates]

Royals

Hello K.

"Or are you hinting at the Royal Conspiracy?"

Oh, good heavens, no. As much as I like and admire Queen Victoria, it is my estimate that there was not enough grey matter collectively present in the Royal Family to concoct ANYTHING--except, perhaps, a cucumber sandwich.

No, I've other fish to fry.

Cheers.
LC

[K-453]

"Is it possible there never WAS a 'Jack' to begin with?"

Of course it is possible. As he - or they - never got caught, we just do not know who he was - or they were.

But it is likely there was a 'Jack'.

The copycats usually satisfied themselves with waving knifes in a pub and screaming, "I am Jack the Ripper!" Which resulted in 14 days hard labour for them.

Or are you hinting at the Royal Conspiracy?

[Malcolm X]

Hello (again) K.

"My guess - and, of course, I can be wrong - is also, this time it was personal. He knew Mary, and something about her put him off."

Perhaps her being something like an informant?

Cheers.
LC

yes, you could be wrong !

[lynn cates]

information please

Hello (again) K.

"My guess - and, of course, I can be wrong - is also, this time it was personal. He knew Mary, and something about her put him off."

Perhaps her being something like an informant?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

cogito ergo sum

Hello K.

"There must be a reason why 'Jack' did not go indoors before."

I believe so. Try this question, "Is it possible there never WAS a 'Jack' to begin with?"

Cheers.
LC

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
I would suggest that the police presence on the streets were a lot to do with, not only the change of venue, but also time.
The Ripper was considered a night stalker, even Chapman would have fallen into that frame, he was expected to strike down alleyways , somewhere dark and secluded.
But he would not have been expected to strike in broad daylight, inside a room, not only by the police but by potential victims.
This I would say led to the downfall of Mary Kelly.
The clues are there.
But Casebook dismisses them
Regards Richard.

[kensei]

Just some random thoughts as I was reading everyones' responses- It's actually not completely true that the Ripper had never gone indoors before. He walked through a house full of sleeping people with Annie Chapman to the back yard, then presumably back through it again alone. That was quite risky. And if he was the killer of Martha Tabram, he took her not exactly indoors but at least into the confines of an enclosed stairwell.

[Barnaby]

Given that it is commonly accepted that Jack was targetting the female sex organs in his mutilations, it is interesting that only in the Kelly case were the breasts attacked. And in no case was the buttocks attacked. While I realize these aren't primary sex organs (despite the fact that Americans receive horrific sex ed), I suspect more than a few people on here consider them sexually relevent!

[K-453]

Well, granting that, the MJK case was not exactly what he was wanting to do.

No case was exactly what he was was wanting to do ...

All the other women were killed outdoors. There must be a reason why 'Jack' did not go indoors before. Be it that he was a bit slow and just did not think of the possibility - or that he was terribly shy!

There must also be a reason why he, after a five week break, suddenly was back with a changed modus operandi. That murder looks done more deliberatedly than the others. Something forced him to think.

Too many cops on the streets, maybe. Bad weather. (It was raining heavily that night!) Finally realizing he never had enough time the other occasions.

My guess - and, of course, I can be wrong - is also, this time it was personal. He knew Mary, and something about her put him off.

[Bridewell]

How Much Time

K-453, interesting observations, I think you are pretty much spot-on. I think that Mary Kelly represented what the Ripper wanted to do with every victim but had just never had the time and privacy for before..

I agree that he had more privacy, but I'm not sure about the time. The Ripper was not, so far as we know, interrupted (unless Thomas Bowyer did so at 10.45am) but how can he have known that he would not be interrupted? There was a fair degree of probability, given the circumstances, but no certainty.

[lynn cates]

opportunity

Hello K.

"My guess is, before Mary, the Ripper rather attacked spontaneously and instinctively."

Well, granting that, the MJK case was not exactly what he was wanting to do.

You're suggesting, perhaps, ONLY the extensive mutilations, etc? Could be, but, as you point out, he had opportunity before.

Cheers.
LC