Why do you think Jack stopped?

[Hatchett]

Hi DVV,

Many thanks.

Best wishes.

[DVV]

Right you are.
And the thread is page 7 of MJK.

The main point being about the way the killer gained access to the abdomen.

[Hatchett]

Hi DVV,

Sorry. But isnt that what friends are for?

Best wishes.

[DVV]

In short, you ask me to find this lost thread while I'm on single malt.

You're a real friend.

[Hatchett]

Hi DVV,

I can't located that thread. Could you sum up the evidence for me?

Best wishes.

[DVV]

Hi Hatchett

if you remember the thread "Definitely canonical" some two years ago I think (among MJK threads). It was about forensic evidences.

Cheers

[Hatchett]

Hi DVV,

How was that actually proven?

Best wishes.

[DVV]

Hi gentlemen

Mary has long been proven a ripper victim. This isn't an opinion.

[Errata]

I would suggest looking at why he might have stopped AFTER Eddowes and excluding Stride.

Phil

I have long been of the opinion that Eddowes is the key, and Kelly was killed by someone else.


Given the nature of the facial mutilations not present in the previous killings, is it possible that Jack got "scared straight" after Eddowes? That she bore an uncanny resemblance to someone who Jack did not want to kill, or watch him kill, and the mutilations were meant to wipe out that resemblance? That the experience weirded him out so badly that he stopped? Or caused him to resolve his demons? Or drove him to suicide or madness?? I play with that scenario a lot.

[Phil H]

I would suggest looking at why he might have stopped AFTER Eddowes and excluding Stride.

I don't say rule out all other options, but simply open a new perspective.

Would that bring Timothy Donovan back into the frame - he died didn't he before MJK was murdered?

Also look again at the "later" murders, especially the Castle Alley killing. Did he cease then re-emerge?

Phil

[TomTomKent]

Addressing the issue of "changing M.O." I think we need to note two things:
1) The methodology is evolving through the known canonical killings, if we see them as a continuing series.
2) It was probably not an obtuse change, for example from Ripping to lacing gin with arsnic or something, but a development along a trend.
3) This leaves the frightening possibility that he simply learned to hide the bodies.

Myself, I lean towards the idea that his madness may have led to his ability to act in public diminishing over time as his anti social tendancies became more apparent. It is a trend that is apparent in a number of suspects, though I tend to think of Jack more as a nameless person we will never recognise. He probably ended his days in a mental hospital being ignored when he shouted that he was Jack the Ripper.

[merlyn555]

[QUOTE=richardnunweek;173935]Hi.
It all depends on his motive for the murders,

This all depends on whether JtR was a serial killer or not!

If Jack was just a sociopathic or psychotic killer then yes the motive is important. If you decide that Jack is neither of these or fits into the serial killer folder then motive does not count.

There was a list made up by Radford University that claims to be a collection of common characteristics that are shared by most of the serial killers in the United States. After years of working with these people I disagree that a list can be made that is so specific. I am not an expert in any of the fields I have been talking about or even have any degrees to my name, in fact I barely graduated high school, but personal experiences and observations over a thirty year period count for something.

The only true commonalities that all serial killers share are these;
1. The inability to love or understand the concept of love.
2. The inability to feel and express emotions in a normal manner.
3. A complete lack of conscience and guilt.
4. There is no external motivation to kill.

For a serial killer there is no basic motivation behind their crimes they simply fill a need, a yearning, it is an emotional fulfillment for the killer.

Chris

[sdreid]

My own contribution was - Self castration probably due to some sort of religious mania, that is, he thought that was the only way he could control his compulsions. It was what the murderer Clarence V. H. Richeson did to himself so that does happen.

I'm saying that was it; just adding it as a possibility.

That last sentence was supposed to say - I'm not saying .....

I just noticed that.

[JtRMordke]

This has been something tugging at me for a while too so thank you for making a thread for this!

I have another possibility...

Being of the opinion that Jack could have had some sort of mental disorder, such as schizophrenia perhaps combined with being of psychopathic nature, there is a high possibility that despite the mania inside giving him a burning desire to kill more, it was the schizophrenia that burnt him out, thus reducing him to a wreck that was incapable of committing the murders and a shadow of his former self. Not so common now, since we have drugs to treat it, but if you went back say twenty years and visited a home for sufferers, it would be a very different place. Maybe Jack received an early burn out after the MJK murder as the fulfilment of his fantasies drove him to the limits of his illness and he was incarcerated to an asylum?

[richardnunweek]

Hi.
It all depends on his motive for the murders, if it was simply a case of perverted sexual gratification, then I personally cannot see him stopping of his own accord, if his sexual arousement depended upon this act.
If however he had another motive[ not involving the sexual act] such as revenge, or a hatred of women in general, based on his previous encounters, possibly induced by veneral desease, or even a fear of the fair sex, mayby he had been scorned by his lack of manhood etc..then he could have ceased activities once he felt his revenge was complete.
We have a possibility also that he refrained from killing after Eddowes, because of the time difference leading up to Kelly in Millers court, if one takes the line that she was a copycat /overkill attempt.
I feel that it is a great posibility that Mjk was despatched by someone who had been scorned by her, either sexually, or she had left a intimate relationship with, even possibly run off with some personal belongings.
We have several suspects there...which include Barnett, Fleming, a unknown Joe. the mysterious Lawrence, and if Fiona Kendal lane, is correct, even possibly a ex client who allegedly appeared at Millers court to redeem a stolen watch?
Why Jack ceased is open to some intresting debate, and I would harbour a guess that revenge was the motive, but its hard to place that theory with all the victims if they were the result of one killer.
Regards Richard.