Motive....

[DVV]

Hi Fleetwood Mac,

JtR has been defined as a "necro-sadist", a strange category, I have to admit...
I have no doubt about Kelly being her victim, and MJK1 and Bond's report tell us what the poor guy liked to do... Mutilations, trophy, perhaps cannibalism...

Amitiés,
David

[Fleetwood Mac]

I can think of several serial killers who killed swiftly - to name one, the Cleveland Torso Slayer.

The one Ripper connected murder that was an act of sadism was the Emma Smith attack.

Thanks for the info.

Out of interest.....the Cleveland bloke......what was his motive?

And....Emma Smith....what was the sadistic act?

Thanks.

[sdreid]

I can think of several serial killers who killed swiftly - to name one, the Cleveland Torso Slayer. In most instances, the cause of death was decapitation with no antemortem injury.

The one Ripper connected murder that was an act of sadism was the Emma Smith attack. Tabram is a possible also or at least it was an act of terror whether that was its purpose or not.

[Fleetwood Mac]

Well.....assuming Kelly was a ripper victim.....it's the only time he had time so to speak.

Were he a sadist surely he wouldn't have killed her quickly. And assuming he hated women so much then surely he would have had a desire to inflict pain while she was alive.

I find it a bit odd.....though admittedly I'm no psychologist (which is important only where you actually place faith in their mind reading - I'm not convinced).

Does anyone know of any other cases where serial killers have killed their victims swiftly? I'd imagine the vast majority toy with their victims as part of the game/control.

[kensei]

I believe the motive was indeed the same as with so many serial killers today- hatred of women and sexual thrill. The Ripper had to be fast out of necessity, because then as now London was one of the most populous cities in the world and passers-by could appear at any moment. He had to learn to take his thrills in fast doses, though of course he always wanted more. With the privacy of being indoors, I believe he was with Mary Kelly for as much as two hours (for most of which she was dead). He also may have been with Liz Stride for a couple of hours before attacking her, though that is iffy. If so, he would have been getting off on the thrill of the anticipation of what he was planning to do to her when the time was right. But with Polly, Annie, and Kate, he was with each of them for only a few minutes.

[Fleetwood Mac]

Hello all.......

My understanding is that the murders took seconds to commit........what do people feel this means for motive (if anything)? Would a woman hating sadist set out to make quick kills?