Motive....

[j.r-ahde]

Hello you all!

He could really have been a necro-sadist, but I am thinking more about some difficulties with female-relationships!

By the way, Fleetwood Mac, a nice artist-name!

All the best
Jukka

[DVV]

It could be of use to have a chat with a sadist - a sadist who engages within the realms of consent of course - to understand what exactly drives the behaviour and from what do they derive pleasure.

Well, can't you understand that a sadist and a necro-sadist are two different categories ?
John Gacy, for example, was a sadist.
His crimes are different from Jack's.
Quite simple.
JtR motive may be unclear, but it's at least pretty obvious that he "liked" to mutilate dead bodies, while Gacy's job was to inflict pain and terror to his victims.

[Fleetwood Mac]

"Necro-sadist" is indeed an oxymoron, but an oxymoron isn't necessarily a non-sense, far from it.

It could be of use to have a chat with a sadist - a sadist who engages within the realms of consent of course - to understand what exactly drives the behaviour and from what do they derive pleasure.

[DVV]

I'd suggest cannibalism and cutting up dead bodies is nothing to do with sadism.

"Necro-sadist" is indeed an oxymoron, but an oxymoron isn't necessarily a non-sense, far from it.

[Fleetwood Mac]

Well, what can I say ?
JtR was apparently not a necrophiliac, nor a sadist, but a "necro-sadist" - deriving his pleasure from the mutilations he inflicted on dead bodies.

Amitiés,
David

I'd suggest cannibalism and cutting up dead bodies is nothing to do with sadism.

[DVV]

Ahhh come on Superintendent Suzi......can't you educate me? I'll buy your book on the matter in return?

No need to buy anything, just click on "victims".

Amitiés,
David

[DVV]

I would have thought a sadist would have derived pleasure from the victim being alive. Surely sadism is emotional (the emotions drive the actions) and the fear induced in the victim is part of the game for a sadist? A quick kill seems to have an element of compassion in a strange sort of way - and a sadist really does not care about the welfare of a victim. Don't sadists like to tie up a victim (or a partner where consented to) and inflict emotional and physical pain while the victim is alive - in order to feed off the fear?

Well, what can I say ?
JtR was apparently not a necrophiliac, nor a sadist, but a "necro-sadist" - deriving his pleasure from the mutilations he inflicted on dead bodies.

Amitiés,
David

[Fleetwood Mac]

Hi Mac,

It's unsure what the Cleveland guys motive was unless he just liked to kill people in that fashion, probably after drugging them, and then cutting them up and scattering their remains. One letter, supposedly from him, hinted that he was trying to develop some sort of head transplant surgery but that correspondence is generally considered to be a hoax. He didn't care about the sex of the victim.

Thanks for the info SDReid.

Quite interesting that and perhaps there is shades of Jack in the sense he may not fit into a neat and tidy box in terms of motive.

[Fleetwood Mac]

FM
If you don't know what happened to Emma Smith- read up!

Ahhh come on Superintendent Suzi......can't you educate me? I'll buy your book on the matter in return?

[Fleetwood Mac]

Hi Fleetwood Mac,

JtR has been defined as a "necro-sadist", a strange category, I have to admit...
I have no doubt about Kelly being her victim, and MJK1 and Bond's report tell us what the poor guy liked to do... Mutilations, trophy, perhaps cannibalism...

Amitiés,
David

I would have thought a sadist would have derived pleasure from the victim being alive. Surely sadism is emotional (the emotions drive the actions) and the fear induced in the victim is part of the game for a sadist? A quick kill seems to have an element of compassion in a strange sort of way - and a sadist really does not care about the welfare of a victim. Don't sadists like to tie up a victim (or a partner where consented to) and inflict emotional and physical pain while the victim is alive - in order to feed off the fear?

[DVV]

Are we giving hints to FM or what?

Good Friday, Suzi.

[sdreid]

Hi Mac,

It's unsure what the Cleveland guys motive was unless he just liked to kill people in that fashion, probably after drugging them, and then cutting them up and scattering their remains. One letter, supposedly from him, hinted that he was trying to develop some sort of head transplant surgery but that correspondence is generally considered to be a hoax. He didn't care about the sex of the victim.

[Suzi]

Are we giving hints to FM or what?

[DVV]

FM
If you don't know what happened to Emma Smith- read up!

Here is a clue :
something that DeSalvo did several times.

Amitiés,
David

[Suzi]

FM
If you don't know what happened to Emma Smith- read up!