psychopaths and their bad press

[corey123]

Doris, Martin, anyone,


Really the title 'sex murderer' is too damn vague. There are Lust Murderers, Sexual sadists, Rage murderers, and Rage rapists. Some also think that some forms of serial arson can be sexual in nature. truly anything can be ascribed a 'sex murder'.

From the crimes of Peter Kurten, "Jack the Ripper", "Jack the Stripper", Gilles de Rais, and John Duffy. They would all be classified as 'sex murders'. However, when set into distinctive catagories they lay out as this.

Lust murderer:
1)Jack the Ripper
2)Peter Sutcliff

Sexual sadist:
1)Peter Kurten
2)"Jack the Stripper"

Rage Rapists:
1)John Duffy.

Gilles de Rais would be under the title of pedifilia.

Yours truly

[corey123]

Martin,

Psych-Psychology- brain
Socio-social-personality

Personally I think he was a socio. Not psycho.

[martin wilson]

Hi Doris
My understanding of a psycopath is that it is a psychiatric 'catch all' for people who behave in a socially aberrant way but who do not conform to the classic symptoms of a specific mental illness, as they say not all killers are psycopaths and not all psycopaths are killers.
I dont understand what the difference between a psycopath and a sociopath is, for my own purposes I class a psycopath as someone who gratifies their sexual urges and a sociopath as someone who gratifies their ego, very general I know and I guess there are plenty of crossovers, I always think that with a sociopath, they kind of 'leak' their disorder into their life, wheras a psycopath tends to present a completely different face to the world or as I understand it, the psycopath is the guy you DO get in the car with.
I think essentially the urge to kill is the dominant compulsion which manifests itself through one or the other of the bodies most dominant drives.
Robert Kesslers' 'Signature Killers' I found very useful, if its any help, and Corey has a world of info on this, personally I find it a real struggle trying to understand any of it, I cant even make up my mind whether Jack was a psycho or a socio!
All the best Martin

[protohistorian]

Hello Roy, you can use the search function in the header of every page. Hope this helps. Dave

[Roy Corduroy]

The bad rap in general comes from the psychopath's inability to feel remorse or empathize, both of which are very negatively received in most societies, particularly western ones.

Murder is negatively received in say, China, where, after a trial, they take you out and shoot you.

Check out the thread "population totals" to get an idea of the major singular fatal psychopathologies and their numbers relative to the population of the East End in 1888.

I'd like to check it out, Dave, I remember you starting it, but to be quite honest, there are something like sixty (countem') sixty PAGES of threads under general discussion.

Roy

[protohistorian]

Since becoming a ripperologist I have naturally become interested in psychopathy, as the word is so often bandied about.

Ill tell you what suprised me.

There is no compelling evidence that sexual killers tend to be psychopaths!
How suprising is that?

The only evidence that stated that Sexual killers tend to suffer from psychopathy was a single crappy piece of research that used the daft rorsach ink blots.

Look, here is a bit I filched from wikipedia for convienience-

"No evidence for propensity to sexually-oriented murder

No clinical definition of psychopathy indicates that psychopaths are especially prone to commit sexually-oriented murders, and scientific studies do not suggest that a large proportion of psychopaths have committed these crimes.[citation needed] Although some claim a large proportion of such offenders have been classified as psychopathic, this evidence comes from a single, unrepeated research study using the Rorschach Inkblot Test, an invalid test for psychopathy and for sex offenders,[35] references not considering psychopathy,[36] and studies concerning sexual homicide, a somewhat different population than the general class of sex offenders and not from meta-studies combining repeatable results."


I don't know about you, dear readears, but I always assumed that sexual killers, serial or otherwise were psychopaths.

Apparantly not.


doris

There are many disorders that can cause one to commit a sexually themed murder, psychopathy is just one in a fairly large list. The bad rap in general comes from the psychopath's inability to feel remorse or empathize, both of which are very negatively received in most societies, particularly western ones. Check out the thread "population totals" to get an idea of the major singular fatal psychopathologies and their numbers relative to the population of the East End in 1888. Dave

[corey123]

Doris,

Thats good. I myself would not say every serial killer is psychopathic. No not even close to all of them are.

[doris]

I do admit mate, That wikipedia is not be trusted without further reasearch.

However, I looked at the sources and found the evidence compelling.

doris

[corey123]

Doris,

Psychology would be a better word. Don't always trust what you read on wiki. Any and everybody can post on there. Not saying its wrong. Just double check the 'facts'.

[doris]

Since becoming a ripperologist I have naturally become interested in psychopathy, as the word is so often bandied about.

Ill tell you what suprised me.

There is no compelling evidence that sexual killers tend to be psychopaths!
How suprising is that?

The only evidence that stated that Sexual killers tend to suffer from psychopathy was a single crappy piece of research that used the daft rorsach ink blots.

Look, here is a bit I filched from wikipedia for convienience-

"No evidence for propensity to sexually-oriented murder

No clinical definition of psychopathy indicates that psychopaths are especially prone to commit sexually-oriented murders, and scientific studies do not suggest that a large proportion of psychopaths have committed these crimes.[citation needed] Although some claim a large proportion of such offenders have been classified as psychopathic, this evidence comes from a single, unrepeated research study using the Rorschach Inkblot Test, an invalid test for psychopathy and for sex offenders,[35] references not considering psychopathy,[36] and studies concerning sexual homicide, a somewhat different population than the general class of sex offenders and not from meta-studies combining repeatable results."


I don't know about you, dear readears, but I always assumed that sexual killers, serial or otherwise were psychopaths.

Apparantly not.


doris