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  • Batman
    started a topic How did JtR see in the dark?

    How did JtR see in the dark?

    In the Whitechapel murders, we have a problem that requires a solution. A solution which may be a clue. That problem is over poor lighting conditions and how JtR could have operated in darkness.

    First of all, did he, in fact, work in total darkness or was there some available light? Do the weather conditions even provide us with the opportunity of intermittent moonlight? Is the claim he worked in the dark supported by the evidence? Questions like these.

    Tabram's body was probably not even seen by many passersby on the stairwell landing because it was so dark.

    Nichols body was found in such a dark spot that her wounds could not even be clearly seen. However wasn't there a street lamp somewhere nearby?

    Chapman's body was in a back garden. Was there enough light from the houses around to see her? Seems maybe not given the fence and corner where she was found.

    Stride's body was found in darkness and took a candle to see the wounds. Even Diemshutz's match wasn't sufficient.

    Eddowes' body was found in darkness in Mitre sq. Was there enough light from the buildings around?

    Kelly's body was found in a room which had a fireplace which was recently used. Seems JtR found light from this fire.

    The whole light issue is a mystery. What is the best explanation put forward for this fiend with night vision and a healthy diet of carrots for vitamin A?

  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
    No, you see the lines but you just dont understand them.
    You couldn’t even understand Halse’s statement and when I clearly showed you that you were wrong you disappeared. You still haven’t responded. Perhaps you forgot to?

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  • FISHY1118
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    No, you see the lines but you just dont understand them.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
    you'd surely know
    I read the lines....not in between them

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  • FISHY1118
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    you'd surely know

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by packers stem View Post

    "Conspiracy theorist babble" gives the game away that you're unwilling to evaluate evidence available to you .

    Had she been given an intricate tattoo after death , you would still be claiming the same .
    No matter what is pointed out , you will close your mind to .

    Read the testimony
    Think about the rain and the pavement
    I dismiss nonsense.

    Make a case for the murder taking place elsewhere. Tell me where she was killed. Tell me why she was killed elsewhere and moved. Tell me who did it if you can or what type of person. Tell me why there was a cover-up.

    Call me an idiot I donít care but you have not explained anything. Youíve dropped hints. Youíve insinuated. Give me the case in plain English using reason, logic and evidence and I will evaluate. Re-evaluate if necessary. As it stands I havenít much of a clue what youíre claiming occurred.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by FISHY1118 View Post
    nothing worse than a closed mind .

    A non-functioning one.

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  • FISHY1118
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    nothing worse than a closed mind .

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  • packers stem
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    I donít have a suspect.

    No one has been proven to have been the ripper.

    There is no evidence at all. Not even a scintilla that Eddowes was dumped.

    She was killed in Mitre Square.

    To suggest otherwise is conspiracy theorist babble.
    "Conspiracy theorist babble" gives the game away that you're unwilling to evaluate evidence available to you .

    Had she been given an intricate tattoo after death , you would still be claiming the same .
    No matter what is pointed out , you will close your mind to .

    Read the testimony
    Think about the rain and the pavement

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    Originally posted by packers stem View Post

    Loads of evidence.
    All the seemingly impossible tasks we're discussing here are evidence .
    Unfortunately , because you have your suspect , you'll brush it off
    Your last sentence sums the attitude perfectly.
    There actually is evidence that it's likely Eddowes was dumped and it's in Brown's testimony , you won't see it with eyes shut though .
    You not wanting to see it isn't the same as not there
    I donít have a suspect.

    No one has been proven to have been the ripper.

    There is no evidence at all. Not even a scintilla that Eddowes was dumped.

    She was killed in Mitre Square.

    To suggest otherwise is conspiracy theorist babble.

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  • packers stem
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    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post
    The killer did what he did. Thereís no evidence of conspiracy or bodies being moved around. Therefore whatever happened to Eddowes happened. Simples.

    Nothing to see here.....letís move on.
    Loads of evidence.
    All the seemingly impossible tasks we're discussing here are evidence .
    Unfortunately , because you have your suspect , you'll brush it off
    Your last sentence sums the attitude perfectly.
    There actually is evidence that it's likely Eddowes was dumped and it's in Brown's testimony , you won't see it with eyes shut though .
    You not wanting to see it isn't the same as not there

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  • Trevor Marriott
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post

    Indeed, what if he just knew roughly where a kidney was? It's not as if this is forbidden knowledge.
    There is a bit more to removing a kidney from a blood filled abdomen in almost total darkness, than just knowing roughly where it is located !

    www.trevormarriott.co.uk

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    The killer did what he did. Thereís no evidence of conspiracy or bodies being moved around. Therefore whatever happened to Eddowes happened. Simples.

    Nothing to see here.....letís move on.

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    So the ripper had a better diet.

    Like Druitt

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  • Hakeswill
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    In the spirit of the original question, and since I couldnít see it mentioned in so far, Iíll throw this in. Apologies for not putting in links, but Iím on the old electric-blower.

    Seeing in low light levels relies on having sufficient vitamin a in your diet. Lack of this leads to the condition might blindness, where a person can see normally in day or well lit conditions, but would find it difficult in low light conditions, effectively becoming blind. Itís a problem in many countries still where nutrition is poor.

    I canít find (although Iím sure they exist if I looked harder) specific details about late Victorian London diets, but the nutrient intake of poor East End residents would have been poor for those of limited funds. In a balanced diet, vitamin a is sourced from vegetables, famously carrots, though other fruit and veg also has vitamin a and related nutrients. What I canít find is the minimal level of vitamin a needed to avoid night blindness, though a modern recommended amount is around 0.9 mg a day. 100g carrots can give you about 40% of this, though in reality. It doesnít all get absorbed so you would need access to more veg in your diet. I wonder how much the average resident of Whitechapel was getting? Of course, if you were familiar with an area then you could potentially find your way around with less light available. It is plausible though that locals had worse night vision than us.

    However, there is are much better sources of vitamin a available if you can access them - dairy, meat and in particular liver, where vitamin a is normally stored. 100g if cow liver would give approximately 700% of recommended daily allowance of vitamin a, if you could get it.

    Happy to to be corrected on any of this!

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