How did JtR see in the dark?

[Sam Flynn]

He was not there when there were no lamps in the square , or was lit up like Blackpool when he arrived

He was very familiar with the square, and intelligent enough to make any necessary adjustments for (decidedly non-Blackpool) bullseye lamps, if required.

I doubt your average thirty something GP had much experience of removing kidneys

Whether he had or not, it wouldn't have affected his judgment to the extent that he couldn't tell the difference between pitch darkness and workable light.

[Batman]

No
It's
Clot blood
Says the same in the inquest notes

Ah, my bad. That's much better. Well done. (I think this is another good example of where I admit I am wrong, which I have done before not so long ago either. I am keeping track of these because they come in handy later.)

However, it is still lots of blood.

Looks exactly like you would expect if someone had their neck's sliced while lying on the ground like that.

[Sam Flynn]

Phillips described it as the work of "an expert"

No, that was the Lancet editorial.

Still waiting for the evidence regarding the three pieces you mention .
Can't find that in the transcripts

"Dr. Phillips (continuing) in the course of his evidence, some of which was unfit for publication, said: The abdominal wall had been removed in three portions, two taken from the anterior part. There was a greater portion of skin removed on the right side than on the left. On adjusting these three flaps of skin it was evident that a portion surrounding and constituting the navel was wanting. I removed the intestines in the same manner as I found them in the yard on the morning of the 8th. The necessary vessels supplying them were severed. The larger intestine remained in situ. Part of the bladder and other portions of the internal organs were absent, and could nowhere be traced. The womb had been cut away and was missing. It was certain that these absent portions, together with the division of the large intestine, were the result of the same excision, hence my opinion that the length of the weapon was from five to six inches, probably more."

The People, 23 September 1888. There are other sources that say much the same, I seem to recall, but that report is fairly representative.

[packers stem]

"Alot blood" is what is written there or "xxxx of blood"

No
It's
Clot blood
Says the same in the inquest notes

[packers stem]

No, it's perfectly true. I couldn't stand reading under those low-energy bulbs a few years back, but I have got used to them over the years. That's all I'm saying - it's not like I'm claiming my physiology has changed or anything; I've just become accustomed to these dimmer lightbulbs. FACT.

Tell science its wrong then.....

[packers stem]

Not the same as a gas-lamp lit square, however dodgy the gas-lamp, in the largest city in the Victorian world.

And, as Sequeira said, he was very familiar with the locale and believed there was sufficient light for the killer to complete the injuries.

Those lamps gave no more than a puddle of light below them .... they weren't like today's streetlights .
Your faith in Sequeira is astonishing despite the glaring issues pointed out .
It's your choice but it's got nothing going for it .
Not sure why Morris went back in for his lamp despite Watkin having one already ..... maybe he was unaware of how excellent the lighting was in that corner

[Sam Flynn]

Nonsense

https://www.ucalgary.ca/pip369/mod3/...darkadaptation

No, it's perfectly true. I couldn't stand reading under those low-energy bulbs a few years back, but I have got used to them over the years. That's all I'm saying - it's not like I'm claiming my physiology has changed or anything; I've just become accustomed to these dimmer lightbulbs. FACT.

[packers stem]

Not really, as the "one sweep of the knife" and "avoiding the rectum" bits came from the writer of a somewhat sensationalist Lancet editorial rather than Phillips himself. What does undermine Phillips' analysis of the perpetrator's skill is that he himself notes that neither the bladder nor the colon escaped unscathed, and Chapman's abdomen was opened rather inefficiently in the form of three pieces of flesh, rather than a single, long cut.

Phillips described it as the work of "an expert" .
I think that's good enough .
Still waiting for the evidence regarding the three pieces you mention .
Can't find that in the transcripts

[Sam Flynn]

If you want to know what dark is , take a walk in the country , miles from any main road lightening the night sky when there's no moonlight

Not the same as a gas-lamp lit square, however dodgy the gas-lamp, in the largest city in the Victorian world.

And, as Sequeira said, he was very familiar with the locale and believed there was sufficient light for the killer to complete the injuries.

[packers stem]

Indeed. I used to struggle reading by the light of those energy-saving lightbulbs, but I've adjusted to them over time.

Nonsense

https://www.ucalgary.ca/pip369/mod3/brightness/darkadaptation

[Batman]

It says clotted on the right .
Fluid on the left .
Still a tiny amount of blood

"Alot blood" is what is written there or "xxxx of blood"

[packers stem]

The killer was used to the typical lighting conditions of late 19th century London at night. This doesn't seem particularly strange to me.

No more than we would be .
The eyes undergo "dark adaptation".
Takes about 20 minutes if I remember to get close to optimum but it's a myth that people living at that time could adjust better in the dark than we do today .
If you want to know what dark is , take a walk in the country , miles from any main road lightening the night sky when there's no moonlight .
Then try to imagine looking for a kidney

[packers stem]

He was there, and furthermore very familiar with the locale.I'm sure GPs are just as capable on assessing the level of lighting and the practicalities of (crude) organ removal as a surgeon would have been. Sequeira came from a long line of distinguished medical practitioners, and was no fool.

You're missing the point .
He was not there when there were no lamps in the square , or was lit up like Blackpool when he arrived .It's ridiculous to trust in that .
I presume you've taken a walk down a countryside public footpath with no moonlight when it's all you can do to see your feet in front of you ?
The cities then were like that .No neon lighting is a whole different ball game than what we know today in cities
There was no crude removal of the kidney .
The membrane was "cut " and the kidney "carefully removed" ...... I doubt your average thirty something GP had much experience of removing kidneys

[packers stem]

There is blood all around the upper part of her body except maybe the top of her head.

What is written on the lower blood pool which even extends to legs?

It says clotted on the right .
Fluid on the left .
Still a tiny amount of blood

[Batman]

Ah, are you suggesting that he may have been fired prior to the murders but retained his uniform?

Otherwise I think a uniformed killer would have two major problems. Firstly, he risked getting blood and gore on his uniform, and he would surely have a problem explaining that to his sergeant on parade.

Secondly, if he was seen by a Whitechapel officer that officer would be aware that he was way off beat. He would therefore be attracting unwelcomed attention to himself (this would also apply if he was a former officer who retained his uniform), which he was presumably keen to avoid.

I actually started a thread for this topic a few weeks back.

I will answer it here -> https://forum.casebook.org/showthrea...=10819&page=18