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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    [QUOTE=packers stem;n712356]
    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    There is zero overwhelming evidence .Just interpretations by those who wish to believe .
    Ignoring Phillips in Hanbury, excuses for lighting , the ridiculous, unfounded belief in 'slash and grab' ......
    it's not 'evidence' it's alternate reality
    Itís not a case of ignoring Phillips itís a case of accepting the undoubted fact that estimating a TOD at this time could be wildly inaccurate due the knowledge available. This isnít an interpretation itís accepting what real medical experts tell us. You know, people that really know what theyíre talking about on the subject. This is inconvenient to some but facts are facts. They arenít malleable just to accommodate a theory.

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  • packers stem
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    [QUOTE=Herlock Sholmes;n712352]
    Originally posted by packers stem View Post

    But the facts in no way make it unlikely that Chapman was killed where she was or impossible the Eddowes was killed where she was. The evidence is overwhelming that were both killed there. The alternative is fiction.
    There is zero overwhelming evidence .Just interpretations by those who wish to believe .
    Ignoring Phillips in Hanbury, excuses for lighting , the ridiculous, unfounded belief in 'slash and grab' ......
    it's not 'evidence' it's alternate reality

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    [QUOTE=packers stem;n712339]
    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    Well if no cart and if the basic facts make the idea of being killed in situ unlikely (Chapman) , impossible (Eddowes) what are the options .
    They're limited but there is an obvious one
    But the facts in no way make it unlikely that Chapman was killed where she was or impossible the Eddowes was killed where she was. The evidence is overwhelming that were both killed there. The alternative is fiction.

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  • packers stem
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    "Suggests that the jacket was buttoned up with a part of the intestine coming out at the top on to the shoulder"

    WTF?!!!
    Well .That's his testimony ,
    whether you like it or not ...

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  • packers stem
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    [QUOTE=Herlock Sholmes;n711963]
    Originally posted by packers stem View Post

    Because Iím trying to deduce whatís being suggested here in the absence of you simply telling me what you mean. If you are suggesting that these women werenít killed where they were found what do you mean?
    Well if no cart and if the basic facts make the idea of being killed in situ unlikely (Chapman) , impossible (Eddowes) what are the options .
    They're limited but there is an obvious one

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  • packers stem
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    Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post

    No it doesn't.
    And why would that be ?

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    [QUOTE=Abby Normal;n712000]
    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    hs
    sent you a pm
    Got it

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  • Abby Normal
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    [QUOTE=Herlock Sholmes;n711963]
    Originally posted by packers stem View Post

    Because Iím trying to deduce whatís being suggested here in the absence of you simply telling me what you mean. If you are suggesting that these women werenít killed where they were found what do you mean?
    hs
    sent you a pm

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    [QUOTE=packers stem;n711923]
    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    What makes you think anybody appeared on a cart and walked any sort of length down the street ?
    Because Iím trying to deduce whatís being suggested here in the absence of you simply telling me what you mean. If you are suggesting that these women werenít killed where they were found what do you mean?

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  • Sam Flynn
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    "Suggests that the jacket was buttoned up with a part of the intestine coming out at the top on to the shoulder"

    WTF?!!!

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  • Joshua Rogan
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    Originally posted by packers stem View Post

    Inspector Chandler

    The jacket was hooked at the top, and buttoned down the front. By the appearance of the garment there did not seem to have been any struggle.

    Suggests that the jacket was buttoned up with a part of the intestine coming out at the top on to the shoulder .
    No it doesn't.

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  • packers stem
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    [QUOTE=Herlock Sholmes;n711921]
    Originally posted by packers stem View Post

    I’m perfectly willing to concede a point if someone gives me good reason to but I have to ask, were carriages really commonplace in that area? I can understand carts but surely carriages were only used/owned by the better off? So why would they be commonplace in a slum?

    Certainly carts would have been a common sight but I’d suggest that it wouldn’t have been like today with cars where it’s a common sight to see a street lined with them? So if there was only one cart in any particular street it’s not impossible that someone might have noticed it especially if that person walked along that street at the same time every day and had never seen a cart there before. That person might even have been familiar with the owner of the property that the cart was parked outside of and if that person didn’t own a cart it might have stuck in his mind. I’m just saying that it would have been an added risk.

    What is ludicrous though is the idea of two people carrying a corpse from a cart along any length of street through an indoor passageway and into a backyard. This simply cannot be taken seriously. We have to work too hard to arrive at this kind of conspiracy. Jack the Ripper was a serial killer. The similarities of the crimes, the type of victims, the small area, the short time period all point us in this direction. If the police were investigating the case today do we really think that they’d say - this was an obvious plot were two or more men killed prostitutes for reasons unknown and then transported them to the locations where they were found? Come on.
    What makes you think anybody appeared on a cart and walked any sort of length down the street ?

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  • Herlock Sholmes
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    [QUOTE=packers stem;n711919]
    Originally posted by Herlock Sholmes View Post

    This may come as a surprise but carts and carriages were commonplace then ....not the sort of thing to make a mental note of .When walking down a street now who makes a mental note of parked cars unless there's a specific issue with it ?
    Hence the 'ludicrous'

    No , I doubt there's anything specific about that particular location
    I’m perfectly willing to concede a point if someone gives me good reason to but I have to ask, were carriages really commonplace in that area? I can understand carts but surely carriages were only used/owned by the better off? So why would they be commonplace in a slum?

    Certainly carts would have been a common sight but I’d suggest that it wouldn’t have been like today with cars where it’s a common sight to see a street lined with them? So if there was only one cart in any particular street it’s not impossible that someone might have noticed it especially if that person walked along that street at the same time every day and had never seen a cart there before. That person might even have been familiar with the owner of the property that the cart was parked outside of and if that person didn’t own a cart it might have stuck in his mind. I’m just saying that it would have been an added risk.

    What is ludicrous though is the idea of two people carrying a corpse from a cart along any length of street through an indoor passageway and into a backyard. This simply cannot be taken seriously. We have to work too hard to arrive at this kind of conspiracy. Jack the Ripper was a serial killer. The similarities of the crimes, the type of victims, the small area, the short time period all point us in this direction. If the police were investigating the case today do we really think that they’d say - this was an obvious plot were two or more men killed prostitutes for reasons unknown and then transported them to the locations where they were found? Come on.

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  • packers stem
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    [QUOTE=Herlock Sholmes;n711372]
    Originally posted by packers stem View Post

    If a cart was parked outside or very near to number 29, and there wasnít usually one there, wouldnít the police have been interested? Especially if the same was noticed at other murder sites.



    Or maybe itís simply ludicrous to suggest two men carrying a corpse first in the street and then into an occupied house to dump a body in a yard. Why not simply drive down a deserted street and just chuck the body out?

    Unless of course youíre heading into deep conspiracy territory and that the locations were in some way significant to bunch of black magic practicing Illuminati shape shifters? Thereís enough mystery in the case without unnecessarily piling on more.
    This may come as a surprise but carts and carriages were commonplace then ....not the sort of thing to make a mental note of .When walking down a street now who makes a mental note of parked cars unless there's a specific issue with it ?
    Hence the 'ludicrous'

    No , I doubt there's anything specific about that particular location

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  • packers stem
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    Originally posted by Joshua Rogan View Post

    The body didn't just have a virtually severed head, but also had the intestines pulled out and draped across the shoulder, another organ removed entirely, and chunks of abdominal flesh cut away and placed nearby. Was this all done before the body was brought to the yard?
    Inspector Chandler

    The jacket was hooked at the top, and buttoned down the front. By the appearance of the garment there did not seem to have been any struggle.

    Suggests that the jacket was buttoned up with a part of the intestine coming out at the top on to the shoulder .

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