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  • Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    But we don't see a profusion of stabs in any victim other than Tabram;
    We have a precursor in Annie Millwood being stabbed all over her legs and thighs.
    Didn`t McKenzie have a stab to the privates too ?

    The only times there was no stab or cut to the privates was when the killer eviscerated.

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    • Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post
      We have a precursor in Annie Millwood being stabbed all over her legs and thighs.
      Didn`t McKenzie have a stab to the privates too ?

      The only times there was no stab or cut to the privates was when the killer eviscerated.
      Not sure that it is relevant.

      But very sure it is damn interesting!

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      • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
        You would think "Since there are many more wounds to other areas of the body, that means that the similarity of both victims having had their private parts subjected to knife violence is of no importance"?
        It's the very nature of those other wounds that concerns me. Long, distinct cuts to the throat and abdomen on the one hand, versus scores of stabs to the upper body and zero cuts on the other.

        Furthermore, the wounds to the private areas appear to have been different in both cases; two small stabs in Nichols' case, versus a single cut in Tabram's, with the precise locations not specified either in the press or in Swanson's summary report. Again, given this lack of clarity, it's hard to draw any firm conclusions.
        Kind regards, Sam Flynn

        "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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        • Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
          It's the very nature of those other wounds that concerns me. Long, distinct cuts to the throat and abdomen on the one hand, versus scores of stabs to the upper body and zero cuts on the other.

          Furthermore, the wounds to the private areas appear to have been different in both cases; two small stabs in Nichols' case, versus a single cut in Tabram's, with the precise locations not specified either in the press or in Swanson's summary report. Again, given this lack of clarity, it's hard to draw any firm conclusions.
          I´d agree with that - no firm conclusions can be drawn. That´s why I speak of a potential vital importance and not of an established one. But you disliked even that phrasing.

          If, as Jon Guy says, McKenzie also was stabbed in the private parts, then things are becoming very interesting.

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          • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
            Coincidentally, Pearly Poll's husband attacked a young girl named Millicent. She was from Cable Street, I believe.
            Wasn't he blind?
            Bona fide canonical and then some.

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            • Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
              I´d agree with that - no firm conclusions can be drawn. That´s why I speak of a potential vital importance and not of an established one. But you disliked even that phrasing.

              If, as Jon Guy says, McKenzie also was stabbed in the private parts, then things are becoming very interesting.
              I`m sorry you found the rest irrelevant, but yes, McKenzie suffered a :
              A small cut an ⅛ inch deep and ¼ inch long on the mons veneris.

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              • Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post
                Originally posted by Sam Flynn
                But we don't see a profusion of stabs in any victim other than Tabram
                We have a precursor in Annie Millwood being stabbed all over her legs and thighs.
                Didn`t McKenzie have a stab to the privates too ?
                Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I was actually referring to the C5. My quote in full: "But we don't see a profusion of stabs in any victim other than Tabram; and it's simply a vast profusion in her case, never to be repeated in the canonical murders".

                As to the non-canonicals, Millwood is indeed interesting in that the attack against her was rather more "Tabram-esque" than the canonicals. That said, she sustained numerous stabs only to her legs and lower abdomen, and she lived to tell the tale. If her attacker wasn't Tabram's killer, then it shows that the idea of independent criminals inflicting stab-wounds on women of the unfortunate class, in the same area in the same year, is far from impossible.
                Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                • Originally posted by Batman View Post
                  Wasn't he blind?
                  He was. And he sold laces on the streets.

                  As did the blind man of 'ungovernable temper' who it is reported repeatedly stabbed his female guide in Spitalfields in broad daylight on the morning of Chapman's murder.

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                  • Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
                    Perhaps I wasn't clear, but I was actually referring to the C5. My quote in full: "But we don't see a profusion of stabs in any victim other than Tabram; and it's simply a vast profusion in her case, never to be repeated in the canonical murders".
                    I had noticed, but with the semi colon after Tabram, and with Tabram not being a canonical ..... I thought it might be relevant.

                    As to the non-canonicals, Millwood is indeed interesting in that the attack against her was rather more "Tabram-esque" than the canonicals. That said, she sustained numerous stabs only to her legs and lower abdomen, and she lived to tell the tale.
                    Yes, escalation is the key word here. Millwood was attacked in Feb, and she died soon after, just like Emma Smith whose privates were also attacked.

                    If her attacker wasn't Tabram's killer, then it shows that the idea of independent criminals inflicting stab-wounds on women of the unfortunate class, in the same area in the same year, is far from impossible.
                    Independent criminals ?!
                    All attacking a particular type of victim, in a small area, and then disappearing when someone else comes along upping the game, or the same person ?
                    Last edited by Jon Guy; 10-23-2018, 03:47 AM. Reason: i THOU

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                    • Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post
                      Independent criminals ?!
                      All attacking a particular type of victim, in a small area, and then disappearing when someone else comes along upping the game, or the same person ?
                      I very much doubt that all the Whitechapel Murders (canonical or otherwise) were committed by the same man, in which case it goes without saying that independent knife-wielding criminals, whether of the one-off or serial variety, were indeed at large.

                      As I've said before, victimology doesn't really help us, in that street-walkers were, and continue to be, easy targets for violence.
                      Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                      "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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                      • Lust murders are different from knife murders.
                        Bona fide canonical and then some.

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                        • Originally posted by Batman View Post
                          Lust murders are different from knife murders.
                          Which type was Tabram's, do you think?

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                          • Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
                            Which type was Tabram's, do you think?
                            Obviously a lust murder.

                            Her clothes had been ripped open and torn before she was stabbed. The clothes were in complete disarray (similar description as Nichols and most obvious in Eddowes crime scene sketches). The bosom of the dress had been torn away. Meaning her breasts were exposed. She was posed in a missionary position. Her skirt thrown up over her spread legs exposing herself and she had been stabbed there below also.

                            Look at these diagrams of the wounds between Tabram and the others.

                            https://www.casebook.org/dissertatio...timwounds.html

                            Clear escalation of a Lust Murder. Textbook.

                            It IS the textbook!
                            Last edited by Batman; 10-23-2018, 04:19 AM.
                            Bona fide canonical and then some.

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                            • Originally posted by Jon Guy View Post
                              I had noticed, but with the semi colon after Tabram, and with Tabram not being a canonical ..... I thought it might be relevant.



                              Yes, escalation is the key word here. Millwood was attacked in Feb, and she died soon after, just like Emma Smith whose privates were also attacked.



                              Independent criminals ?!
                              All attacking a particular type of victim, in a small area, and then disappearing when someone else comes along upping the game, or the same person ?
                              Hi Jon,

                              But Emma Smith says she was attacked by more than one person. That, of course, means "criminals" but not "independent."

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                              • Originally posted by Batman View Post
                                [Tabram's] clothes had been ripped open and torn before she was stabbed.
                                PC Barrett specifically refers to the bosom of her dress being torn away, not anything else. It's not the same scenario as we had with, say, Eddowes, whose clothing was cut by the killer's knife.

                                It's also worth noting at this juncture that the man who found her body, Saunders Reeves, said that "All the clothes of the deceased were disarranged, as if she had had a struggle with someone".

                                All this would be congruent with a prostitute whose customer got rough, lost control big style and lashed out at her in fury, perhaps angered by something she said or did. I see that as more indicative of a spontaneous knife-murder than a premeditated lust-murder.
                                She was posed in a missionary position.
                                Whether she was "posed" or whether she was simply left in that position is open to debate.
                                Her skirt thrown up over her spread legs exposing herself
                                We might expect that, given her occupation.

                                Also, the statement "thrown up over her spread legs exposing herself" is a bit overblown if, as I recall, all the witnesses said is that her clothing was thrown upwards. This would naturally expose her legs etc, but that's not quite the same as the more deliberate, pornographic tableau that your words seem to imply.
                                and she had been stabbed there below also.
                                She had not been stabbed there, but had sustained a single cut.
                                Look at these diagrams of the wounds between Tabram and the others.
                                https://www.casebook.org/dissertatio...timwounds.html
                                Those diagrams are rather outdated and imprecise, if you ask me, but at least it's possible to note the "dartboard" nature of Tabram's wounds as opposed to the "open piecrust" configuration of those of most of the C5.
                                Kind regards, Sam Flynn

                                "Suche Nullen" (Nietzsche, Götzendämmerung, 1888)

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