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  • Harry D
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
    no linky no ticky
    Michael Ostrog has a link to the case. He was named by a senior policeman.

    Does that make him a stronger suspect than Levy, even though we know it was impossible for Ostrog to have carried out the murders?

    How many serial killers have "links" to the case before they are identified?

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Batman View Post
    None of the suspects have direct evidence implicating them except for Kozminski who has a witness identification again him. Back then witness identification would be considered direct evidence against someone. Today it is still a valid form of evidence.

    When we talk about these matters we talk about direct evidence and circumstantial evidence.

    If Levy was brought to court, all those matters we have discussed so far are circumstantial evidence that would be used against him.

    Obviously far more is needed to prove he is JtR.

    However a strong candidate he is because of several lines of circumstantial pointing at him.
    circumstantial evidence has to be evidence directly tied to an individual, not some nebulous profile.

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  • Batman
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
    actually batman
    the history of serial killers point to a post mortem type serial killer as not being publically known to be violent or having a violent criminal police record and or abusive toward their victims of choice: Dahmer, Gein, bundy,brudos etc.


    known overt physical abuse-thug types-usually don't tend to be the post mortem mutilater kind.
    Serial Killers having a mental illness does not make the mentally ill serial killers.

    That's the point I want to get across.

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Batman View Post
    Swanson can't be correct. Kozminski was alive when Swanson wrote he was dead. Levy was dead though.

    McNaughten is mostly learning the case from reading reports and learning from others as he wasn't there. So for all intents and purposes, McNaughton is copying what others are saying.

    Kozminski was probably a suspect.

    Anderson mentions a suspect who was a low-class Polish Jew. Doesn't name him.

    Swanson says it was Kozminski and then gives us some wrong details.
    don't buy it-all these higher ups made mistakes on details. to get a name like kosminski mixed up-nah.

    two police name him.and specific events involving him.

    the suspect was kosminsky not levy, or cohen. Kosminsky.

    end of.

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  • Fisherman
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
    no linky no ticky
    Short and sweet, Abby.

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  • Fisherman
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    Originally posted by Batman View Post
    None of the suspects have direct evidence implicating them except for Kozminski who has a witness identification again him. Back then witness identification would be considered direct evidence against someone. Today it is still a valid form of evidence.

    When we talk about these matters we talk about direct evidence and circumstantial evidence.

    If Levy was brought to court, all those matters we have discussed so far are circumstantial evidence that would be used against him.

    Obviously far more is needed to prove he is JtR.

    However a strong candidate he is because of several lines of circumstantial pointing at him.
    Jacob Levy would never be brought to court, though, would he? And the reason is simple enough and already divulged - he has absolutely nothing linking him to the case as such.
    He is therefore NOT a strong candidate at all, he is instead somebody who ticks some people's boxes, that's all.
    There are plenty of people who DO have a connection to the case, but Levy is not one of them.

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    Jacob Levy lived slap-bang in the middle of Ripper territory, was a butcher, engaged in petty crime (theft), was committed to an asylum as a maniac in 1890 and died from complications of a sexually transmitted disease shortly thereafter. Furthermore, he was of moderate height and aged in his early 30s at the time of the Ripper murders, which compares reasonably well with many witness descriptions of the potential killer.

    That's a far more potent list of ingredients than most Ripper suspects can boast.
    no linky no ticky

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  • Abby Normal
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    Originally posted by Batman View Post
    In general mental illness has no relationship to crime what-so-ever.

    However, if we read the specifics about a person's case, we may find elements that point to violence.

    For Levy, this is what was said by King in his article...

    Additional observations during his term at Stone was that his wife had complained that he almost ruined her business: "he also feels that if he is not restrained he will do some violence to someone; he complains about hearing strange noises; cries for no reason; feels compelled to do acts that his conscience cannot stand; and has a conscience of a feeling of exaltation". His wife also revealed that he was formerly a shrewd businessman and that "he does not sleep at nights and wanders around aimlessly for hours".

    I think an investigator upon reading that would find it another thing that points at Levy at not away from him.
    actually batman
    the history of serial killers point to a post mortem type serial killer as not being publically known to be violent or having a violent criminal police record and or abusive toward their victims of choice: Dahmer, Gein, bundy,brudos etc.


    known overt physical abuse-thug types-usually don't tend to be the post mortem mutilater kind.

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  • Batman
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    Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
    He has no links to the case nevertheless.
    None of the suspects have direct evidence implicating them except for Kozminski who has a witness identification again him. Back then witness identification would be considered direct evidence against someone. Today it is still a valid form of evidence.

    When we talk about these matters we talk about direct evidence and circumstantial evidence.

    If Levy was brought to court, all those matters we have discussed so far are circumstantial evidence that would be used against him.

    Obviously far more is needed to prove he is JtR.

    However a strong candidate he is because of several lines of circumstantial pointing at him.

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  • Batman
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    Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

    Now that all being said-my issue with Jacob levy is this--what more really is he than another crazy jew in a long line of crazy jews put forth by the "profile" of Anderson and his suspect kosminski? and I agree with sam, kosminski is named by swanson AND McNaughten-no evidence of any mix up. I abhor the convoluted name mix up theories. mere muddle upon muddle IMHO.

    Swanson can't be correct. Kozminski was alive when Swanson wrote he was dead. Levy was dead though.

    McNaughten is mostly learning the case from reading reports and learning from others as he wasn't there. So for all intents and purposes, McNaughton is copying what others are saying.

    Kozminski was probably a suspect.

    Anderson mentions a suspect who was a low-class Polish Jew. Doesn't name him.

    Swanson says it was Kozminski and then gives us some wrong details.

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  • Fisherman
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    Originally posted by Sam Flynn View Post
    Jacob Levy lived slap-bang in the middle of Ripper territory, was a butcher, engaged in petty crime (theft), was committed to an asylum as a maniac in 1890 and died from complications of a sexually transmitted disease shortly thereafter. Furthermore, he was of moderate height and aged in his early 30s at the time of the Ripper murders, which compares reasonably well with many witness descriptions of the potential killer.

    That's a far more potent list of ingredients than most Ripper suspects can boast.
    He has no links to the case nevertheless.

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  • Fisherman
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    Originally posted by Batman View Post
    Those aren't the facts of the case though. You have the missing time between the murder and dumping of the apron piece.
    Many would say that I don't have that time at all, and that Long made a mistake - which he MAY have. However, I don't think he did. But it nevertheless applies that we cannot tell why this time is missing. It could have been that the killer went looking for further prey, that he had a bolthole, that he walked home and went out again - anything.
    And vice we donat know, basics apply - the more credible thing is that the killer went past Goulston Street en route from Mitre Square to his home.
    There is not way around that, I'm afraid. There are a thousand alternative scenarios that are more or less likely to be correct, but that does not alter the facts. And yes, they ARE the facts.

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
    Abby Normal: He has no solid connection to the case-one could pull anyone out of a hat and fit him up to fit any of these profiles-crazy jew, vengeful doctor etc.

    To be more precise, he has no solid OR tenuous connection to the case.
    Jacob Levy lived slap-bang in the middle of Ripper territory, was a butcher, engaged in petty crime (theft), was committed to an asylum as a maniac in 1890 and died from complications of a sexually transmitted disease shortly thereafter. Furthermore, he was of moderate height and aged in his early 30s at the time of the Ripper murders, which compares reasonably well with many witness descriptions of the potential killer.

    That's a far more potent list of ingredients than most Ripper suspects can boast.

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  • Batman
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    Originally posted by Busy Beaver View Post
    Like Kosminski, would the Mental state of Levy still be such that it might well have been him that committed these horrid murders? Or was his illness too advanced for him to even contemplate murder?
    In general mental illness has no relationship to crime what-so-ever.

    However, if we read the specifics about a person's case, we may find elements that point to violence.

    For Levy, this is what was said by King in his article...

    Additional observations during his term at Stone was that his wife had complained that he almost ruined her business: "he also feels that if he is not restrained he will do some violence to someone; he complains about hearing strange noises; cries for no reason; feels compelled to do acts that his conscience cannot stand; and has a conscience of a feeling of exaltation". His wife also revealed that he was formerly a shrewd businessman and that "he does not sleep at nights and wanders around aimlessly for hours".

    I think an investigator upon reading that would find it another thing that points at Levy at not away from him.

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  • Batman
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    Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
    basic logic tells us that he will take the shortest route home and he will not engage in any leisurely promenades in the surroundings before he goes to ground.

    Those are the basics, and no ifs and buts can change them.
    Those aren't the facts of the case though. You have the missing time between the murder and dumping of the apron piece.

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