Antisemitism as a diversionary tactic

[MrBarnett]

That may well be, Gary, but I still can't see that there's much evidence for an "antisemitism ploy" (or any other for that matter) being used by the killer throughout the case.

Agreed.

[MrBarnett]

Seems hell was a popular word for Ripper letter writers and Booth researchers.

When Booth says 'regular' hell, I think he means 'regular' Whitechapel hell.

I don't think he meant regular as in 'normal/usual' but as in 'veritable'.

[Batman]

This is how Charles Booth's researcher saw it in 1887:

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Seems hell was a popular word for Ripper letter writers and Booth researchers.

When Booth says 'regular' hell, I think he means 'regular' Whitechapel hell.

[Sam Flynn]

References to the revival of the slaughterman theory seem to peter out in mid-Oct. Job's a good un.👍

That may well be, Gary, but I still can't see that there's much evidence for an "antisemitism ploy" (or any other for that matter) being used by the killer throughout the case.

[MrBarnett]

I don't see why a sack warehouse would be so described. Booth's researchers were accompanied by policeman and I suspect a lot of the comments are their opinions.

I should add that the survey was of households and not businesses, so although he mentions Hind and co in passing, the entry concerns the caretaker of the club and I would assume the comments "Jews", a dirty lot and a regular hell relate to the club.

[MrBarnett]

But, after the 'success" of the DE, he seemingly abandoned the ploy for his next, most outrageous, murder.

References to the revival of the slaughterman theory seem to peter out in mid-Oct. Job's a good un.👍

[Sam Flynn]

Unless of course the 'Jewishness' of the DE was a ploy to draw attention away from slaughtermen and back onto a Jewish suspect. Then it works

But, after the 'success" of the DE, he seemingly abandoned the ploy for his next, most outrageous, murder.

[MrBarnett]

Hey Gary, was Booth referring to the club as a "regular Hell" or "Hind and Co?

I could understand a Booth referring to a business like that, but why would the club be hellish?

It's not as if Booth was some kind of right wing fanatic.

I don't see why a sack warehouse would be so described. Booth's researchers were accompanied by policeman and I suspect a lot of the comments are their opinions.

[drstrange169]

Hey Gary, was Booth referring to the club as a "regular Hell" or "Hind and Co?

I could understand a Booth referring to a business like that, but why would the club be hellish?

It's not as if Booth was some kind of right wing fanatic.

[drstrange169]

Since many of the members had denounced the Jewish faith, like Deimshitz, and were actively demonstrating against that faith, you could call it an ex-Jewish club!

[MrBarnett]

This is how Charles Booth's researcher saw it in 1887:

[rjpalmer]

At the risk of being pedantic, is it entirely accurate to call the I.W.E.C. a "Jewish social club"?

There is no doubt that the great majority of its members were Jewish (a contemporary account states that 2/3rds of the members of the I.W.M.A. were Russians or Poles) but it was primarily a political organization. It was anti-Rabbinical, anti-Zionist, and many Jews probably considered it anti-religious.

For example, in an interview, Mrs. Mortimer refers to it as "the Socialist Club," stressing its politics, not its ethnicity.

It is natural for us Gentiles looking back to call it a "Jewish Club," I suppose, but in a district so full of Jews, it would have been seen more specifically as a political body. In some ways it was very much at odds with the Great Synagogue. It wasn't promoting Zionism or the Hebrew religion, it was promoting labor unions.

[Batman]

Fish porters don't gut fish.

https://www.casebook.org/dissertatio...ettporter.html

I was looking at photos of them awhile back going around the place with boxes on their heads and yeah it looks like they are simply porters, but would JtR know that?

[rjpalmer]

Which makes me wonder if JtR knew Barnett was a fish porter to cast suspicion on him.

Fish porters don't gut fish.

https://www.casebook.org/dissertations/dst-barnettporter.html

[MrBarnett]

Interesting gary
Thanks for posting this.

You're welcome.

I'm quite interested in how and where CAL grew up. This is the wrong thread for that of course, except to the extent that the Jewish colonisation of the area may have affected his outlook.