Apron placement as intimidation?

[Sam Flynn]

I'm not sure if there was an antisemitic sequence of events, Stephen. Whitechapel was an area of London with a high density of Jewish residents, so it was quite likely that one or more of the Whitechapel Murders would have happened in proximity to locations of apparently "semitic" relevance. Was Polly Nichols' murder a protest against horse slaughterers? Was Annie Chapman's demise designed to besmirch purveyors of cats' meat? Did the killer of Mary Kelly have a downer on chandlers or slum landlords? I very much doubt it.

[cnr]

I suspect that, had the apron been jettisoned in a different doorway in Spitalfields, some might now be arguing what the Ripper meant when he wrote "Shmuley lvs Becky 4Eva" on the wall.

Hi Sam

Yours might be taken as a poignant metaphor describing 130 years of our study. And in that sense, I might tend to agree with you. Though I'm not sure how the police officials who believed the graffito to be authentic would take it (ie Moore, Anderson, Smith, Warren).

Ultimately, the graffito episode fits into an anti-Semitic sequence of events writ-large over the course of that early morning.

Happy posting.

Stephen
http://www.timesofisrael.com/were-th...mitic-frameup/

[cnr]

Hi Stephen
Great to see you posting again! Best of luck with your expanded book and thanks again for sending it to me before.

I was just wondering if you've done anymore research and or found out anything more on Aussie Hutch?

as you know I'm extremely intrigued by him.

Hi Abby,

It might be a stretch to say that I'm posting again (now or previously ) but it's good to hit the 'submit reply' button once in a while – even though I can see you're doing a good job of defending the citadel.

I neither want to derail this thread or pre-empt the next edition of Ripperologist where I believe I'll have the chance to mention a few short bits and pieces about the expanded edition of my research. But to quickly answer your question, the focus will remain on the anti-Semitic dynamic of the saga and it's intersection with a certain suspect who circumstance should have deposited in the most Jewish part of Jewish Whitechapel during what was an auspicious political moment.

Essentially, the story is expounded – in terms of raw word length, we're talking about 20% comparatively, though there's more to it than just that simple benchmark.

Thanks, I'm glad the book made an impression. And happy posting.

Stephen
http://www.timesofisrael.com/were-th...mitic-frameup/

[Sam Flynn]

had the apron not been discarded there, would there be any reason to think this was written by the killer and not a random antisemite?

I suspect that, had the apron been jettisoned in a different doorway in Spitalfields, some might now be arguing what the Ripper meant when he wrote "Shmuley lvs Becky 4Eva" on the wall.

[c.d.]

You suppose the killer had a beef with the Jews because one caught him assaulting Stride, even though it didn't prevent him from murdering her. How does a vague, ambiguous scribble about Jewish culpability reflect that? Was that really the best antisemitic graffito an angry, adrenalin-pumped killer could do?

Doesn't even have to be that specific, Abby. Just something that would tie it to the murders. A vague insult about the Jews is not it.

Look at it this way, had the apron not been discarded there, would there be any reason to think this was written by the killer and not a random antisemite?

Nice bit of reasoning there, Harry. I do like the way you think...uh...well...about the case anyway. Keep up the good work.

c.d.

[c.d.]

I beg to differ, Abby. Perhaps you should try smearing your hands in someone else's faeces some time... then again, perhaps not

A number of threads on Casebook should make that a fairly simple task.

c.d.

[Harry D]

IMHO the GSG has everything to do with the murders, as its a direct (at least partly) reflection on the lipski event.

You suppose the killer had a beef with the Jews because one caught him assaulting Stride, even though it didn't prevent him from murdering her. How does a vague, ambiguous scribble about Jewish culpability reflect that? Was that really the best antisemitic graffito an angry, adrenalin-pumped killer could do?

However, I think you mean specifically mention something about the murders of either stride or eddowes? if so I'm not sure if any other serial killers whos messages don't mention anything specifically about the murders.

Doesn't even have to be that specific, Abby. Just something that would tie it to the murders. A vague insult about the Jews is not it.

Look at it this way, had the apron not been discarded there, would there be any reason to think this was written by the killer and not a random antisemite?

[Sam Flynn]

The first time you mentioned this to me in an earlier discussion, the way you worded it seemed to me you believed the killer extracted the intestines, then purposefully smeared excrement over them.

It wasn't so much a case of "purposefully smearing excrement", in the sense of him having a bit of scatalogical fun, as one of accidentally getting excrement on his hands and having to get rid of it. He cut out a length of her colon and laid it on the pavement beside the body, and it was almost inevitable that one or both of his hands would have become contaminated with faeces in the process. The other intestines, i.e. those that had been previously pulled out and laid on Eddowes' upper body, had had faecal matter smeared over them. It seems probable that the faecal matter got there due to the killer attempting to wipe off some of the gunk that he'd got on his hand(s).

[Abby Normal]

Well. That all hangs together and explains the timing of finding of the apron and the GSG. That also squarely locates his bolthole within a short distance of Goulston street, no more than about a 20 minute walk, and perhaps closer.

Hi Eten
thanks. I forgot to add it also explains why the relatively long time from Mitre square to the GSG/apron being discovered and why the PC didn't see it the first time around.

But it looks like you picked up on it.

[Wickerman]

Not if he'd smeared excrement over them, which he almost certainly had.

The first time you mentioned this to me in an earlier discussion, the way you worded it seemed to me you believed the killer extracted the intestines, then purposefully smeared excrement over them.

I don't think that is the conventional interpretation, but I never did ask if I had misunderstood your point.

[Abby Normal]

I just checked in Roy Wenzl's book on BTK, and...

"there was a strange signature: a B turned on its side to resemble eyeglasses, with a T and part of a K conjoined to look like a smile dangling below."

thanks sam

[Sam Flynn]

It referred to the intended victim, though, and was thus unambiguously connected with the murder series. Didn't he sign it, too?

I just checked in Roy Wenzl's book on BTK, and...

"there was a strange signature: a B turned on its side to resemble eyeglasses, with a T and part of a K conjoined to look like a smile dangling below."

[Abby Normal]

It referred to the intended victim, though, and was thus unambiguously connected with the murder series. Didn't he sign it, too?

not sure-but I see what you mean.

[Sam Flynn]

BTK left a poem for one of his intended victims that dosnt reference any murders.

It referred to the intended victim, though, and was thus unambiguously connected with the murder series. Didn't he sign it, too?

[Abby Normal]

Hi again Harry
Son of sams first letter dosnt really reference specifically a previous murder directly. However, it is general rant and violent so not sure if that counts.

I'm going to keep looking because its a great and relevant question.

BTK left a poem for one of his intended victims that dosnt reference any murders.