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[Phil Carter]

Don't hold your breathe Phil.

Hello GUT,

One never knows. Sometimes when one has one's back to the wall in a firing line..it provokes truth. Or gumption. Or spine.
We shall now see if Pierre has the gumption to produce his "external source evidence" refuting the actual date of the actual resignation letter... or the gumption to withdraw his claim entirely.

If this Pierre really DOES want to be taken seriously...at long last..then I am sure he will consider the above the only viable alternative.
(However..it is going to take some doing to trump the date of the actual resignation letter itself.)


Phil

[GUT]

Hello Pierre,

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1888/nov/13/metropolitan-police-resignation-of-sir

You will find that when read to the House of Commons his resignation letter was stated to be from 8th November.
Matthews, the Home Secretary, replied to this letter on the 10th November.


Surely..that is irrefutable evidence of the date of Sir Charles Warren's resignation as being BEFORE the death of MJK.

Now..your external source evidence please...to refute the above?
I am being open with source evidence. Instead of playing cat and mouse games...it is "put up your exact source or withdraw your claim" time.

Thank you.


Phil

Don't hold your breathe Phil.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Pierre,

http://hansard.millbanksystems.com/commons/1888/nov/13/metropolitan-police-resignation-of-sir

You will find that when read to the House of Commons his resignation letter was stated to be from 8th November.
Matthews, the Home Secretary, replied to this letter on the 10th November.


Surely..that is irrefutable evidence of the date of Sir Charles Warren's resignation as being BEFORE the death of MJK.

Now..your external source evidence please...to refute the above?
I am being open with source evidence. Instead of playing cat and mouse games...it is "put up your exact source or withdraw your claim" time.

Thank you.


Phil

[Henry Flower]

In my country if someone was as rude as you are, Henry, he would have no friends.

Regards, Pierre

In my country, Pierre, we have this visceral loathing of arrogance, of patronising, and of bullshit.

I'm not sure if you're noticing this or not, but I am not alone in my view of your behaviour on these boards.

Goodnight cupcake

[GUT]

Incidentally, Pierre, I am almost certain I know who your suspect is.

I doubt it.


Mainly because I doubt he has one.

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=Henry Flower;400069]

You tell me, Pierre! You seem to think we all need to be kept up to date with your research, despite not really being able to tell us anything testable about it. So YOU must think we have some need to know how it's going.

But you've guessed right: we don't. Because most of us had you pegged as a charlatan from the start, and the more you reveal the more amusing your theory becomes.

PS - I do just love the fact that you've learned the phrase "external source criticism" and no one's gonna stop you using it as often as you like, until everyone is convinced you ARE a bona fide historian.

In my country if someone was as rude as you are, Henry, he would have no friends.

Regards, Pierre

[Henry Flower]

Incidentally, Pierre, I am almost certain I know who your suspect is.

[Henry Flower]

[QUOTE=Pierre;400053]

What do you - and anyone else - have invested in my work?

You tell me, Pierre! You seem to think we all need to be kept up to date with your research, despite not really being able to tell us anything testable about it. So YOU must think we have some need to know how it's going.

But you've guessed right: we don't. Because most of us had you pegged as a charlatan from the start, and the more you reveal the more amusing your theory becomes.

PS - I do just love the fact that you've learned the phrase "external source criticism" and no one's gonna stop you using it as often as you like, until everyone is convinced you ARE a bona fide historian.

[Elamarna]

[QUOTE=Pierre;400053]

What do you - and anyone else - have invested in my work?

Time, spent reading the 3000+ posts i would suggest

Steve

[Pierre]

[QUOTE=Henry Flower;399976]

We all have so much invested in Pierre's work.

What do you - and anyone else - have invested in my work?

[Pierre]

Hello Pierre,

You are going to gave to supply the source which causes you to "chose" to assume it to have been backdated. .because..quite simply..all known sources that I have come across date his resignation to before said murder.

I may be wrong here, but somewhere I recall his resignation document he himself wrote and dated as being dated before the murder? Perhaps another with a better memory than I can help?

But back to the point. Supply your source and all is then hunky dory. Thanks ☺

Phil

Hi Phil,

No problem. Use external source criticism.

What is the earliest source, apart from the source dated the 8th November, stating that Warren has resigned?

Regards, Pierre

[Henry Flower]

Thanks Jeff, I never heard that story before. Interesting. Whenever I hear the name Mark Twain I'm reminded of Will Ferrell in an award acceptance speech claiming that he had always confused Mark Twain with Col Sanders. I can certainly believe that if Pierre doesn't publish soon someone else might come up with a simpler and better theory than his melodramatic fantasy.

Which would be a real shame. We all have so much invested in Pierre's work.

[Mayerling]

He promised a few times that if he didn't find it he'd go away, if he did find it he'd reveal all, obviously you can't believe a thing he says.

Hi GUT,

Remember the story of the "Paige Typesetting" Machine and Mark Twain? It was a remarkable piece of engineering that intrigued Twain (who was the partner in a publishing house). It was supposed to revolutionize how books got printed. Twain invested heavily in this incredible machine, but Mr. Paige kept putting off getting a factory and manufacturing it. Paige always told Twain there were one or two more "tweaks" he had to add to the typesetter before it was ready to be mass produced and marketed. Twain got really mad - madder still more - when one Ottmar Mergenthaler came up with a simpler and better typesetter (the prototype of what is still used by newspapers and publishing houses today) in the late 1880s. End result: if you visit Twain's home in Connecticut the sole remaining working model of the Paige Typesetter is there - it never was manufactured. That and the ruin of the Webster Publishing House (Twain's company) bankrupted the author, and forced him to do a world wide speaking and writing tour, that resulted in his last travel book "Following The Equator" (1897), but Twain did clear his own debts and lived comfortably in his last years.

Something about Paige reminds me of Pierre a bit. More than their two names beginning with the same letter.

Jeff

[Phil Carter]

Hi Phil,

I have chosen to think that it was back dated to the 8th since it was just one day. I may be wrong but I may also be right.

Regards, Pierre

Hello Pierre,

You are going to gave to supply the source which causes you to "chose" to assume it to have been backdated. .because..quite simply..all known sources that I have come across date his resignation to before said murder.

I may be wrong here, but somewhere I recall his resignation document he himself wrote and dated as being dated before the murder? Perhaps another with a better memory than I can help?

But back to the point. Supply your source and all is then hunky dory. Thanks ☺


Phil

[GUT]

On the contrary, Pierre, when dealing with certain types, being rude and aggressive becomes almost a moral obligation.

When do you estimate you will find the final sliver of data, and where will you be looking for it?

Again of course you resort to selective hypersensitivity to avoid answering a question. The way others test their interpretation of sources is by putting their cards on the table here, for others to test them to destruction. Why are you not willing to do the same? Why are you afraid of the objectivity that others would bring? Why are you afraid to have others do to your work what you attempt to do to Fisherman's?

Please understand: this is not personal; I have no real interest in you or your amusing theory, and I would not be asking these questions had you not spent a year setting yourself and your methodology up on a pedestal, talking down to others, attempting to make provocative or beguiling statements with nothing to support them, and claiming for yourself a scholarly authority to which you have yet to provide one scintilla of evidence that you are entitled.

He promised a few times that if he didn't find it he'd go away, if he did find it he'd reveal all, obviously you can't believe a thing he says.