Jack an Alcoholic?

[Harry D]

To Harry

Yes but it would explain the perceived differences in skill in the cutting in some of the C5.

I think there could be more than one explanation for the discrepancies in skill. Is the Ripper's perceived alcoholism a cornerstone to your belief in Bury as the Ripper? Or is it incidental?

Besides I thought you regarded Bury as the strongest suspect?

Correct.

[Observer]

good enough for the goose

But you believe Bury was the Ripper, don't you? So that kind of goes without saying.

I believe you are of the opinion that Jacob Levy was the Ripper Harry, and it therefore goes without saying that the reason Joseph Hyam Levy was reluctant to share his observations, with the press, on the night of Kate Eddowes murder, was down to the fact that he had recognised his relative as the man he saw taking to Kate Eddowes at the entrance to Church Passage.

[miss marple]

I dont think he drank. He was too careful and controlled. I think he had puritanical nature and despised women, espicially drunken women.To be anti intuititive I think he hated sex and despised drinkers because of their lack of control. He felt superior to them, one of the signs of a psychopath.
I have read lots and lots of accounts in newspapers of violent drunken men in the LVP attacking their partners or other women.i am researching it at the moment and there is not a case I have read that resembles the ripper.The motivation is entirely different A drunken man in a rage then would sometimes beat and kick their women, sometimes killing them or stab them randomly, without any thought process, sometimes in public in the street without any attempt to hide what was happening. These men would often go on benders getting blind drunk, then attacking the women.

Miss Marple

[John Wheat]

But you believe Bury was the Ripper, don't you? So that kind of goes without saying.

To Harry

Yes but it would explain the perceived differences in skill in the cutting in some of the C5. Besides I thought you regarded Bury as the strongest suspect?

Cheers John

[Harry D]

Fair point Harry. However I believe Jack was an alcoholic.

Cheers John

But you believe Bury was the Ripper, don't you? So that kind of goes without saying.

[John Wheat]

Many serial killers come from broken homes where there was substance abuse involved. That doesn't mean they WERE alcoholics, etc. later in life.

Fair point Harry. However I believe Jack was an alcoholic.

Cheers John

[Harry D]

Many serial killers come from broken homes where there was substance abuse involved. That doesn't mean they WERE alcoholics, etc. later in life.

[John Wheat]

Hello, John,

I will readily agree that drunkeness may lead to violence, whether in the bar-room or the home, but a drunken serial killer might not be that common. At the same time, it is not improbable that modern serial killers (particularly those which are now imprisoned) would report substance abuse.

Do you think Jack might have been an alcoholic, yet was sober when he stalked and killed his victims?

http://www.statisticbrain.com/serial...-demographics/

Serial Killer Statistics Data
Number of classified Serial Killers worldwide since 1980 154
Number of classified Serial Killers in the U.S. since 1980 87
Number of active serial killers at any given time in the U.S. 35
Number of serial killer suspects currently on the FBI list 271
Percent of serial killers who experienced problems related to substance abuse 72.5 %

Thanks Geddy2112

These stats back up my point that alot of serial killers were/are alcoholics.

Cheers John

[John Wheat]

Hello, John,

I will readily agree that drunkeness may lead to violence, whether in the bar-room or the home, but a drunken serial killer might not be that common. At the same time, it is not improbable that modern serial killers (particularly those which are now imprisoned) would report substance abuse.

Do you think Jack might have been an alcoholic, yet was sober when he stalked and killed his victims?

To PC Dunn

I think Jack would have been a functioning alcoholic in as much as alcohol not effecting him too much while murdering except that some of his mutilation may have been effected by him being sloppy in some of the cutting with some of the C5.

Cheers John

[Pcdunn]

Don't drink and mulitate?

To PC Dunn

Well it was suggested in another thread that atleast one of the victims may have been an alcoholic however I have long believed Jack was an alcoholic and that different levels of inebriation may have effected how much perceived skill has been attributed to the different C5 murders. Its worth noting that alot of serial killers tend to have drink problems' and alot commit murder under the influence.

Cheers John

Hello, John,

I will readily agree that drunkeness may lead to violence, whether in the bar-room or the home, but a drunken serial killer might not be that common. At the same time, it is not improbable that modern serial killers (particularly those which are now imprisoned) would report substance abuse.

Do you think Jack might have been an alcoholic, yet was sober when he stalked and killed his victims?

[Geddy2112]

http://www.statisticbrain.com/serial-killer-statistics-and-demographics/

Serial Killer Statistics Data
Number of classified Serial Killers worldwide since 1980 154
Number of classified Serial Killers in the U.S. since 1980 87
Number of active serial killers at any given time in the U.S. 35
Number of serial killer suspects currently on the FBI list 271
Percent of serial killers who experienced problems related to substance abuse 72.5 %

[Geddy2112]

To Harry

Really I'd like to see these statistics?

Cheers John

http://www.jaapl.org/content/22/1/133.full.pdf

[John Wheat]

Statistically, serial killers tend not to be substance abusers.

To Harry

Really I'd like to see these statistics?

Cheers John

[Harry D]

Statistically, serial killers tend not to be substance abusers.

[John Wheat]

Hi, John,

It's entirely possible Jack was an alcoholic, but whether he indulged in regular drink might depend upon his circumstances. For instance, homeless suspects like Francis Thompson wouldn't have been able to afford gin too often.

Are you looking at this idea for a possible reason for the apparent changes in skill level of the mulitations?

To PC Dunn

Well it was suggested in another thread that atleast one of the victims may have been an alcoholic however I have long believed Jack was an alcoholic and that different levels of inebriation may have effected how much perceived skill has been attributed to the different C5 murders. Its worth noting that alot of serial killers tend to have drink problems' and alot commit murder under the influence.

Cheers John