The GSG. What Does It Mean??

[Ben]

Hi Gareth,

I was looking at the earlier population map you kindly posted here:

http://forum.casebook.org/showpost.php?p=37206&postcount=27

The Northern end of Goulston Street is seemingly very centrally located to that concentrated dark patch indicating a dense Jewish population. In fact, the Wentworth Model Dwellings formed part of the largest Jewish blob (coloured black) on that map, with the possible exception of an area to the South-East of Berner Street. Similarly, on the Arkell's map, the green circle in right in the thick of it, Jewish-wise.

If I was hoping to take easy advantage of the suspicions against the Jews, that would be my port of call if I was taking the most direct route home, especially if it boasted a dark secluded stairwell (which may not have been true of other places). The troube with Middlesex Street and Hutchinson Street is that they may not have fallen on a direct path of retreat home from Mitre Square.

All the best,
Ben

[Sam Flynn]

He could have done it sooner, certanly, but the actual location of the GSG was located centrally to the most concentrated Jewish hotspot in the district

No more so, Ben, than Middlesex Street - which not only had a high percentage of Jewish residents, but was also home to the famous "Jews' Market", aka "Petticoat Lane".

In fact, Goulston Street was hardly the most central of Jewish hotspots in the district, either. Superimposing Arkell's survey of Jewish population density showing only those areas with 75-100 percent Jewish residents (in red) onto the O/S map of the area indicates where the Jewish "hotspots" were in relation to the GSG (green circle). Apologies for the crude overlay, but it should give us an idea:



Note that the Western side of Middlesex Street, as well as Hutchinson Street and the others I mentioned earlier, were not sampled in Arkell's survey. Neither were the streets West of them (bottom left-hand corner of map excerpt), many of which also had a significantly high Jewish population.

[Ben]

Hi Mitch,

He could have done it sooner, certanly, but the actual location of the GSG was located centrally to the most concentrated Jewish hotspot in the district, and therefore more suitable for associating the apron with the Jews.

Best regards,
Ben

[Sam Flynn]

Heres a question..

How many "Jewish" doorways could the Ripper have passed on his way from Eddowes to Goulston St?

What I mean is. If the Ripper wanted to associate the apron with Jews could he have done it sooner?

Good question, Mitch. The answer is, "yes, he could have".

Judging by the 1881 census, Middlesex Street (running almost parallel and to the West of Goulston) had a high Jewish population, as did nearby Hutchinson Street (where Joseph Levy lived), Ellison Street and Gravel Lane. All four thoroughfares lay between Mitre Square and Goulston Street, and one or other of them were likely traversed by the Ripper during his escape.

[Mitch Rowe]

Yes.. it dont make any sense that a child would write "The Juwes are the men That Will not be Blamed for nothing".

It had to have been a young Man or Man.
It was so inflamitory it had to be erased. It was described as recent.

Heres a question..

How many "Jewish" doorways could the Ripper have passed on his way from Eddowes to Goulston St?

What I mean is. If the Ripper wanted to associate the apron with Jews could he have done it sooner?

[Monty]

A side issue...

I was walking down Wilkes Street late yesterday afternoon and, on a wall at the junction with Puma Court, was chalked graffiti.

Reading it, it was obvious a child wrote it, and I managed to get a pic on my phone just before my battery went.

Even after all these years, chalked writing remains.

Monty

[joelhall]

whoever wrote it had a good study of english literature

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

No, Roy, It was just me being unclear - I wasn't speficially referring to your post, but to others in the past who have used this argument for why the Ripper could have written it. This has been done many times and it is an argument that annoys me tremendously.
Sorry about the confusion - I knew you didn't mean that and I should have been clearer in which direction my post was aimed.

All the best

[The Good Michael]

Glenn,

I hope you aren't referring to my post when you say it's ludicrous. If so, you'd better read it again and see that I said that it may have meant something to JTR, but that he didn't write it. After that, I will await your apology.

Cheers,

Mike

[Glenn Lauritz Andersson]

I have never uderstood the argument 'he could very well have done it because it meant something to him, we just don't know his frame of mind'.

With such reasoning one can state anything, no matter how absurd it is.

I could state that a graffitto found on a murder scene saying 'Donald Duck was here' must have been written by the killer because even though it doesn't relate to the murder at all, 'it may have meant something to him'.

It is ludicrous.

All the best

[The Good Michael]

It would stretch my imagination to the limit to think the ripper had written the message in the first place, to think that someone else wrote the message and was quoting one of the rippers local sayings or catch phrases or messages or whatever it means is imagination break point.

No. I only suggest that it was the Ripper's message because it meant something to him, and not that anyone wrote it for him.

Mike

[DrB]

Dear Mike,
It would stretch my imagination to the limit to think the ripper had written the message in the first place, to think that someone else wrote the message and was quoting one of the rippers local sayings or catch phrases or messages or whatever it means is imagination break point.

DrB

[Mitch Rowe]

--------------I-Am-Jack-------------

I think DrB is right. The message was said to have been written in a good schoolboys hand. Wasnt it somewhat lower as if a boy may have written it? It would explain the double negative and the misspelling of the word Jews.

At any rate.. We cant be sure if JTR wrote it. But we can be sure of what JTR did to at least some of the bodies. Also what he didnt do is important. If Jack killed Stride then he made some hasty decisions. Wich opens himself up more for examination. Even if Jack didnt kill Stride then I would say he was acting abnormally while killing Eddowes. Maybe that night is the key? I dont know. Maybe the key lies in all the murders? Or just one? One this is for sure. That guy left part of himself at every crime he committed. Interpreting Jacks mind is about all we have left. But the World has only scratched the surface of Profiling. These Cases in general may be the key to unlocking the next level of Profiling. Wich in turn may serve to identify Jack.

We will never know unless we try!

[The Good Michael]

DrB,

Just because JTR didn't write it, doesn't mean it isn't his message. Look at all the quotes we site members have attached to our messages and you'll see what I mean.

Cheers,

Mike

[DrB]

Gsg

The GSG could mean anything and only means something to the person who at that time and in that mind state wrote it - so its nigh impossible to interpret - personally I think it unlikely written by the ripper for a number of reasons - no other messages were chalked on walls or even scribed in blood near victims - he could have had a chalk fest in mary kelly's room !, why travel 1/2 a mile and write a message , it would have to have been in the "plan" - so you would have been carrying chalk with you or you just happen to have some in your pocket!! Why in an obscure stairwell?? I think he was on his way home and stopped in the building ? shelter / rest , he wiped his hands and knife and threw the apron - I don't for one second think he thought it would be found and I doubt he would have cared. The message left was in the autopsy reports and the mutilations, dissections and organ removal process not on the wall