Time-gap between Eddowes murder and Goulston Graffito

[Cogidubnus]

Now, coming on top of the Trevor reference, that's really rubbing it in!

God Bless

Dave

[DVV]

Oh my god David...you poor chap...I really didn't know...

Never knew it would hurt you so much mate.
Let me light a cigarillo and have another Bowmore.

[Sam Flynn]

The fact that there are club members living in those Model homes does make one wonder...

...whether Jack knew their addresses? Unlikely, I'd have thought.

Seriously, though - unless I've missed something - is it a fact that Berner Street Club members lived in Wentworth Model Dwellings?

[Mr Lucky]

The fact that there are club members living in those Model homes does make one wonder about a connection

That is worth wondering about. The club members who were at the club when Stride was found killed outside, were all kept back in the club by the police and then searched and questioned which inadvertently gave them all an alibi for the Eddowes murder.

However, the killer could have no idea that the police would instigate this clampdown if he was judging from the previous murder scenes . If the killer was attempting to incriminate someone from the club who lived on Goulston st, then this plan would appear to be a valid strategy, yet, it was doomed to failure from the off.

[Michael W Richards]

forgive me if someone else has suggested the following, but there are alot of messages on ere

Could the GSG be connected to Liz Strides' murder?

The fact that there are club members living in those Model homes does make one wonder about a connection Natasha, but its my understanding that that location was also significant to local jews as a gathering point for marches and protests.

If the GSG was to try and suggest that the murderer of Kate Eddowes, as the cloth verifies, seems to feel that Jews will evade blame for something they bear guilt in, then I would say it refers directly to Berner Street. Since the senior staff at the club were suggesting openly that this womans murder was "another" in a series of unsolved murders in the area, they could be considered as attempting to cast blame away from the club.

I think the idea has merit myself, but I doubt many others would see it our way.

You make some great contributions to discussions Natasha, keep it up.

Cheers

[Hunter]

Has anybody gotten around to explaining why the apron corner was still wet with blood some seventy minutes after Edowes was killed?

It was already wet anyway when the murderer decided to use it? Kind of a damp night.

[Cogidubnus]

Oh my god David...you poor chap...I really didn't know...

[DVV]

Hi DRoy,

Personally I don't feel the need.
I've read Trevor Marriott.

[DRoy]

Is anyone interested in starting a thread on PC Long, the apron, and the GSG with no restrictions?

Perhaps some of us are guilty of hijacking this thread (as Caz has rightly pointed out) and got off topic so for that I apologize especially to JTRSickert.

146 pages in the other thread is a lot to handle for anyone. Let's start fresh?
I see value in it, if others do as well then let's do it?

Cheers
DRoy

[lynn cates]

alibi

Hello Natasha. Thanks.

So far as I know, only one officer was at BOTH Mitre sq and Goulston. That was Daniel Halse. But he seems in company with others whilst at Mitre.

Cheers.
LC

[Natasha]

Hello Natasha.

"Maybe P.C Long, had something to do with it, the time scale don't add up so it's a possibility."

Of course, Kate was killed in the City of London patch, Long was policing Met territory. Would he have known so soon?

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn

I think this because of the time discrepancies, if Long or/and someone working with him possibly another policeman and they did have something to do with it and had to make up a story to cover their tracks that could explain why there was a gap in the timing

Maybe the time at which he/they 'discovered' the apron/body at, was much earlier/later

I am not 100% convinced on my own theory
but I don't think the killer wrote the GSG, which is why I'm questioning who else could have written it

[lynn cates]

territory

Hello Natasha.

"Maybe P.C Long, had something to do with it, the time scale don't add up so it's a possibility."

Of course, Kate was killed in the City of London patch, Long was policing Met territory. Would he have known so soon?

Cheers.
LC

[Fisherman]

Has anybody gotten around to explaining why the apron corner was still wet with blood some seventy minutes after Edowes was killed?

The best,
Fisherman

[caz]

Hi Sam
Your not getting it and I'm going to be slightly un subtle here to try to awaken you and everyone else on this thread that keeps missing this apparently too subtle a point that Caz (and me)keeps trying to make.

Try this. Take halse and long out of it. THERE IS A 50/50 CHANCE THAT THE APRON IS THERE at 2:20. Its either there or not.The problem is you keep starting with the assumption that he "missed it".

Capice' ?

Thanks Abby.

I'm not at all sure Gareth isn't just winding us up. He can't be that thick.

He says we can't take Halse and Long out of it because - and get this - 'they are our "eyes" in this matter'. Did either of them see the blasted thing at 2.20? No. Nobody saw it at that time.

Then he goes on to suggest that the apron was only not there in the sense that it was not observed to be there.

And then he claims not to have started with the assumption that it was there.

It's a wind-up. It has to be. He is saying as clear as day that if only Halse and Long had had eyes to see it, it would have materialised before them.

The very fact that Long saw it when it was there at 2.55, with no apparent trouble at all, means we can depend on him being our "eyes" in this matter at that time. Yet according to Gareth his eyes most probably let him down at 2.20.

Only if the apron was actually there, Gareth. Only if. Nobody can be expected to see something that isn't there. Yet you do see it, purely based on your opinion of the killer's likely behaviour - immediately following his antics in Mitre Square.

It's certainly not based on anyone else's powers of observation.

And it's most certainly still off topic.

Bad boy.

Love,

Caz
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[Natasha]

Hi

Thank You

I think maybe Israel Schwartz had something to do with the GSG, because of the animosity he experienced after possibly witnessing the death of Liz Stride

or

Maybe P.C Long, had something to do with it, the time scale don't add up so it's a possibility. The reason for planting evidence? I haven't made my mind up on yet