piece of apron

[lynn cates]

maybe

Hello Jason. Thanks.

"Murder isn't really an intelligent act."

Depends upon one's Weltanschauung.

Cheers.
LC

[pinkmoon]

Murder isn't really an intelligent act

[lynn cates]

conveyance

Hello (again) DLDW.

Actually, you conveyed it quite well. Did I mention you are spot on?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

organs

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

Well, if you REALLY love me, why not call me "My dear" like Jason? (heh-heh)

If he used the apron for organ transport, why jettison it near home? Why not take it inside with the organs? Then, later, throw it in a proper dustbin.

And why was such done in none of the other killings?

It looks to me PRECISELY as if the cloth is left to implicate someone. A bit too obvious for my taste.

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo all.

Not sure how to say this, but here goes. Logic is just a tool. So if the killer wants to kill then it is logical to kill. He may have been very logical in what he was doing. It's a difficult thing to try and convey.

[lynn cates]

logical

Hello Jason. Thanks.

"I think we can safely assume if some one is running about killing and mutilating women then they have got some form of mental problem."

Well, that's one way of putting it. And I can--more or less--agree.

But would you agree that mental problems do not preclude achievement in math/logic?

"To what degree we don't know but certainly these actions are not the actions of a completely normal person."

Concedo, amicus meus. But MANY normal people are not terribly logical thinkers. That is why I can command a decent price teaching them.

Cheers.
LC

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn.

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"Why should the apron be any closer or further away from where it was?"

Great question. I take it you are au fait with the Manson case? As you recall, then, Bugliosi wanted to find the bloody clothes. So he and some others left the murder scene with extra clothes in the car. They were to change whilst driving normal speed. As soon as they finished changing they looked for the next area where they could pull off the road.

When they go there, they walked down the hill side and what do you suppose met their gaze?

Now, if Kate's assassin used the cloth to wipe his hands (after getting faecal material on them) the wiping should have been completed, roughly, by the time he exited Mitre sq.

But to make sure, try the following experiment.

1. With a partner and a tape measure, squeeze together about a quarter pound of raw ground beef in your hands--smear well.

2. Take a knife and cut a piece of cloth.

3. Stand and begin wiping whilst walking. But neither too fast (suspicious) nor too slow (need to move along before caught).

4. When finished, stop and measure.

5. Post results on Casebook.

Cheers.
LC

I love this guy! It is why I have dubbed you King Cachous. Now back to business. The wiping of hands, knife, etc is only one possibilty. And not exactly more likely than say, carrying organs away. What if the murder wore gloves? He doesn't exactly need to wipe his hands maybe? Scenario: The murderer lived in the area. Close to Goulston Street. He wraps up the organs and gloves and possibly the knife in the apron. And instance where putting all you eggs in one basket is a good thing as you can toss it simply if the need arises. He goes home deposits and cleans. Leaves to drop off the apron piece and write the message???. Goulston Street being only a short distance away and he is familiar with the goings on of things since he lives in the area. Goes back home.

[lynn cates]

knifemanship

Hello CD. Thanks.

"How do you know it would be a trickle?"

You may have a point. Perhaps he nearly took off a finger.

That kind of knifemanship would explain:

1. Why he did such a rum job on Kate, leading Baxter to ask if it might be an imitator.

2. The interval between Kate and "MJK." (He was waiting for the wound to close.)

"And I take it you didn't like the souvenir idea?"

Apron as souvenir? In which case he quickly changed his mind, eh?

Cheers.
LC

[Observer]

Hi Pinkmoon

Attempting to predict the mind-set of the man known as Jack The Ripper is a virtual minefield. Some poster's here in Casebook think they can get into the mind of The Whitechapel Fiend. More fool them.

Who knows if he was responsible for the graffito. If he was responsible for the graffito, then leaving the apron section in close proximity to it, might well have been enough in his mind to convey to the police that he wrote it. As regards the graffito's content, again, to us, incomplete, baffling in fact. To the killer however (if he wrote it) crystal clear in meaning to anyone who read it.

Regards

Observer

[pinkmoon]

My dear lynn I think we can safely assume if some one is running about killing and mutilating women then they have got some form of mental problem.To what degree we don't know but certainly these actions are not the actions of a completely normal person

[c.d.]

Hello CD. Thanks.

Surely that trickle would be little compared to his hands after going through Kate's innards?

Can think of no other plausible reason than wiping faeculent matter from hands.

But I'm open to suggestions.

Cheers.
LC

Hello Lynn,

How do you know it would be a trickle? And I take it you didn't like the souvenir idea.

c.d.

[lynn cates]

know

Hello Jason.

". . . it's too easy to forget we are not dealing with some one who is thinking logically. . . "

How do we know that?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

plausible

Hello CD. Thanks.

Surely that trickle would be little compared to his hands after going through Kate's innards?

Can think of no other plausible reason than wiping faeculent matter from hands.

But I'm open to suggestions.

Cheers.
LC

[pinkmoon]

I think the problem with this case it's too easy to forget we are not dealing with some one who is thinking logically.....I mean the killer not me

[lynn cates]

experiment

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"Why should the apron be any closer or further away from where it was?"

Great question. I take it you are au fait with the Manson case? As you recall, then, Bugliosi wanted to find the bloody clothes. So he and some others left the murder scene with extra clothes in the car. They were to change whilst driving normal speed. As soon as they finished changing they looked for the next area where they could pull off the road.

When they go there, they walked down the hill side and what do you suppose met their gaze?

Now, if Kate's assassin used the cloth to wipe his hands (after getting faecal material on them) the wiping should have been completed, roughly, by the time he exited Mitre sq.

But to make sure, try the following experiment.

1. With a partner and a tape measure, squeeze together about a quarter pound of raw ground beef in your hands--smear well.

2. Take a knife and cut a piece of cloth.

3. Stand and begin wiping whilst walking. But neither too fast (suspicious) nor too slow (need to move along before caught).

4. When finished, stop and measure.

5. Post results on Casebook.

Cheers.
LC