piece of apron

[Wickerman]

Obviously. I'm struggling to NOT start the joke off. Who do you think took the apron to Goulston Street? Thanks ahead of time Sherlock.

The killer, on his way to find No. 3, in Henage Court.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Trevor.

Well I cant answer that simply because if the killer did not remove the organs at the crime scene as I suggest, then he could not have taken the organs away.

None of the descriptions given of the GS apron piece match the pic of my apron piece which without a doubt re creates the scenario of that night as you and others suggest. Its a uterus taken form a live donor during a routine hysterectomy so that's exactly how it would have been had it been taken by the killer and wrapped in the apron piece.

All in all I think that's good corroboration to suggest the apron piece was not used to take away the organs.

Okay. Thanks for your time. Looking forward to talking with you more in the future. Keep hanging around. The pic was helpful. I had been wondering about that myself. Nice to see some, how you say, leg work still being done. For clarity's sake, I am being sincere.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn.

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"might you indulge me further and make your opinion on how the apron got to Goulston Street known?"

Someone OTHER than the killer took it there.

Cheers.
LC

Obviously. I'm struggling to NOT start the joke off. Who do you think took the apron to Goulston Street? Thanks ahead of time Sherlock.

[DVV]

Issenschmid's dog was depressed and blew his nose in Kate's apron on his way back to the Victoria Home.
It isn't worth a thread.

[Bridewell]

Division

Go back and read the various descriptions of the apron piece no where does it say "heavily bloodstained" in one it does mention stained but if it had been heavily bloodstained as you suggest it would have been mentioned as such.

Even better: Go back and compare the exact wording of the descriptions of both sections of the apron.

Dr Brown:
"Some blood and apparently faecal matter was found on the portion found in Goulston Street"

List of Eddowes' clothes and possessions:
"1 Piece of old White Apron".

Where there is significant blood staining on her other items it's mentioned in the description, yet there is no such mention with regard to the apron.

I have the impression that there was little or no blood staining on the portion of apron which remained with the body, yet sufficient to be worthy of comment on the Goulston Street section. It seems (to me) reasonable to conclude that the blood and faecal matter got onto the Goulston St section after the apron was divided. I therefore have difficulty in drawing any conclusion other than that the Goulston Street section was taken away by the killer.

[Cogidubnus]

Ditto Colin!

All the best

Dave

[Bridewell]

1. The ripper hid in the area/close to the area between Mitre Square and GS. That there was some safehouse/hideout available.
2. Returned to the area within the 1hour+ to leave the apron there.
Seemingly unlikely and illogical given the police presence at risk levels.
3. It was planted by a third party. Enter the many conspiracy theories...
4. The apron was in the archway of the Wentworth dwellings much earlier than it was found and was overlooked during that time.

No.4 is by far the most likely IMHO.

[Trevor Marriott]

I know you are of the opinion the organs were not removed by the murderer. But be so kind as to induldge me for a moment. If the murderer DID take the organs away, what did he do with them whilst he travelled?

Well I cant answer that simply because if the killer did not remove the organs at the crime scene as I suggest, then he could not have taken the organs away.

None of the descriptions given of the GS apron piece match the pic of my apron piece which without a doubt re creates the scenario of that night as you and others suggest. Its a uterus taken form a live donor during a routine hysterectomy so that's exactly how it would have been had it been taken by the killer and wrapped in the apron piece.

All in all I think that's good corroboration to suggest the apron piece was not used to take away the organs.

[lynn cates]

other

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"might you indulge me further and make your opinion on how the apron got to Goulston Street known?"

Someone OTHER than the killer took it there.

Cheers.
LC

[Simon Wood]

Hi Curious 4,

One thing's for certain.

It won't lead anywhere.

Regards,

Simon

[curious4]

You don't say!

Hi Curious 4,

Where's the need?

None of you are are actually discussing the case.

You're all far too busy making it your business to disagree with each other.

Regards,

Simon

Hello Simon,

People disagreeing with each other in a discussion! You don't say! Can't have that, can we? No telling where that could lead!

C4

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Every one must have a way to kill time.

Cheers.
LC

It's the boards or the river for me. Heh heh.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn.

Hello DLDW. Thanks.

"Some dynamite too."

Now you're talking.

Cheers.
LC

I do like fire.

[Digalittledeeperwatson]

Hullo Lynn.

Hello (again) DLDW. Thanks.

"Murderer took apron away."

Yes. About as far as the end of one of the exits to Mitre sq.

"Apron was not deposited until much later."

So far as we know. I can live with that.

"Here it is. You say the murderer did not deposit the apron. Another did. Correct?"

Yes, in my humble opinion.

Cheers.
LC

Thanks for the clarity on your position. Seeing as this IS an apron thread, might you induldge me further and make your opinion on how the apron got to Goulston Street known?

[Simon Wood]

Hi Curious 4,

Where's the need?

None of you are are actually discussing the case.

You're all far too busy making it your business to disagree with each other.

Regards,

Simon