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  • Malcolm X
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    Originally posted by Nothing to see View Post
    The message was meant for Schwartz or Diemschutz? I'm sorry, you're way off target with this.

    And that's Stride's murder.

    The 'supposed' GLG happened after Eddowes. But that's OK. That didn't have anything to do with Jack either.
    how on earth can you say this with such conviction, when you have no proof of this at all and you're earlier post is the same too.

    you presume far too much and dismiss far too easily, without providing anything to back up your statements... tell me exactly why you think the GLG has nothing to do with Eddowes...... because i think that's fair dont you!
    Last edited by Malcolm X; 03-26-2009, 12:26 AM.

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  • c.d.
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    Hi Mitch,

    I think the real question is who was the message intended for? If Jack wrote it, he took a chance (even if only a small one) in doing so. Obviously it was important to him. If the message was for the police, then Jack had accomplished his purpose. If on the other hand, the message was for the general public, then I think Jack would have been extremely frustrated that that message did not get out and would have attempted a further communication and what better place to make your point than Miller's Court?

    c.d.

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  • Mitch Rowe
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    Originally posted by c.d. View Post
    Of course, there is always the possibility that it was just neighborhood graffiti referring to a neighborhood event.

    c.d.
    No doubt. But if JTR is killing Stride and gets interrupted presumably he is frustrated and searches out Eddowes. After killing Eddowes and getting away with it JTR may have felt not only good but he may have reflected during his walk on the Stride affair. If he writes the message as something sort of vengefull against anyone connected with Strides murder he is telling us Stride was important to him for some reason.
    Last edited by Mitch Rowe; 03-25-2009, 11:47 PM.

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  • c.d.
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    Of course, there is always the possibility that it was just neighborhood graffiti referring to a neighborhood event.

    c.d.

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  • Mitch Rowe
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    Originally posted by Nothing to see View Post
    The message was meant for Schwartz or Diemschutz? I'm sorry, you're way off target with this.

    And that's Stride's murder.

    The 'supposed' GLG happened after Eddowes. But that's OK. That didn't have anything to do with Jack either.
    BS man calls Schwartz lipski. Its possible BS man is the ripper. MacNaghten says the Ripper was undoubtedly disturbed by some jews. Theres Diemschutz.

    So.. It seems that if Jack wrote the GSG its very possible he is referring to one or both of these people.

    If im way off target then whomever "connected" the spelling jewes/juwes or however is was spelled to the masons was blind as a bat/deaf and a liar!!

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    Originally posted by John Bennett View Post
    Why should there be?

    There wasn't a message at any of the other murder sites.
    That is a good point John, however it infers that Jack didnt attempt any communications previously, and the apron section alone potentially disputes that. If it wasnt dropped on his way home, it was deliberately placed. Since almost 70 minutes go by between it being taken and discovered, thats a viable possibility... if the PC didnt see the cloth earlier because it wasnt there yet.

    Thats not at the crime scene as you say, but it is.. if not a casual discard which I highly doubt myself, a form of communication by the killer to someone, or anyone.

    My answer earlier I think is supported by some of the circumstantial evidence that exists from the night of the Double Event.......he didnt communicate at or about Millers Court because there were no Jews evading blame for anything on that night or at that murder scene.

    On the Double Event night, Jews were claiming they had nothing to do with a woman found with her throat slit in their yard.

    Cheers

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  • Nothing to see
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    Originally posted by Mitch Rowe View Post
    What evidence do I need? Im presenting a possibility. And its not out in left field. Its a logical assumption.
    The message was meant for Schwartz or Diemschutz? I'm sorry, you're way off target with this.

    And that's Stride's murder.

    The 'supposed' GLG happened after Eddowes. But that's OK. That didn't have anything to do with Jack either.

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  • Mitch Rowe
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    Originally posted by Nothing to see View Post
    OK man. This out of left field. You need to provide some evidence to back this up.
    What evidence do I need? Im presenting a possibility. And its not out in left field. Its a logical assumption.

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  • Nothing to see
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    Originally posted by John Bennett View Post
    Why should there be?

    There wasn't a message at any of the other murder sites.
    Very good point. There is nothing (to see) absolutely nothing IMO to tie the GSG into Jack. I find it difficult to believe that a man who's just done what's done to Eddowes, and then Kelly, would waste his time writing secret messages in chalk inside doorwells. Jack was pyschotic but he wasn't stupid. If he was, he'd just be another serial killer. Instead, he has his own message board.

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  • John Bennett
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    Why no message in Miller's Court?

    Why should there be?

    There wasn't a message at any of the other murder sites.

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  • Malcolm X
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    Originally posted by Crystal View Post
    Hutch does seem to have an amazing eyesight, doesn't he? Maybe that's also how he managed the graffito so well in darkness?
    that's funny too

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  • Sam Flynn
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    Originally posted by Crystal View Post
    Maybe that's also how he managed the graffito so well in darkness?
    Hmmm... John Richardson's claim that he used his knife to chop carrots for his rabbit suddenly sounds a little hollow

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    Originally posted by Fisherman View Post
    Crystal writes:

    "wonder if he did the Lusk letter as well? Yes, it makes perfect sense.."

    Well, Crystal, since they were both written in a neat, round schoolboys hand, you would probably be right on the button here...

    I like your sense of humour! I think...?

    The best,
    Fisherman
    Why, thank you Fisherman! Although I prefer to think of it as particularly clever irony....

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  • Guest's Avatar
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    There is what I believe is a very reasonable explanation for why he wouldnt write in chalk or blood for that matter yet again on November 9th if he did write the GSG the Double Event Night....

    No Jews were attempting to evade blame for the murder on November 9th,... so whats to write about?

    If Jack didnt kill Liz but learned of it on route home after Mitre, then that might explain the delay, if it was a delay, in the placing of the apron section until almost 2:45am or thereabouts...he might have dropped off the "take" from Mitre and picked up chalk....and if he wrote the GSG, it would then be to pass the blame for Liz's death back on whom it likely belonged in his opinion...Jews at the Club on Berner Street.

    And if that is right, it still doesnt mean the killer was Anti-Semetic. In his mind it might just be about taking responsibility for your own actions....not about Judaism.

    I know its hard for some to accept...but I could see a killer getting PO'd if someone was using his notoriety and at large status, to pass the buck on their own despicable acts.

    Best regards all.

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  • Fisherman
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    Crystal writes:

    "wonder if he did the Lusk letter as well? Yes, it makes perfect sense.."

    Well, Crystal, since they were both written in a neat, round schoolboys hand, you would probably be right on the button here...

    I like your sense of humour! I think...?

    The best,
    Fisherman

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