Hanbury Street Graffiti

[c.d.]

But some of us know the reality.

Really? Well, do share.

c.d.

[The Rookie Detective]

Believe or disbelieve all you want but it doesn't change the fact that we don't KNOW whether the killer deliberately placed the apron.

c.d.

You're quite right, nobody knows and that rings true about almost every other single aspect of the case.

Outside of "knowing" that MJK didn't commit suicide; what else do we actually know?


Reasoning, belief, and probability are all based on subjective reality...

Truth is absolute.


The truth is that we don't know why the killer happened to be the inadvertent bringer of an incredible coincidence when the cut apron segment was found under the GSG...

But some of us know the reality.



RD

[c.d.]

It depends on how much you believe in coincidences.


RD

Believe or disbelieve all you want but it doesn't change the fact that we don't KNOW whether the killer deliberately placed the apron.

c.d.

[The Rookie Detective]

It's the meaning, symbolism and sentiment behind the killer choosing to place a piece of Eddowes bloodied apron underneath the GSG that matters, and the reasoning behind making that choice in the first place.

Except that we can't say for certain that the killer deliberately placed the apron. He might have simply tossed it and by coincidence it landed near the writing.

c.d.

It depends on how much you believe in coincidences.


RD

[c.d.]

It's the meaning, symbolism and sentiment behind the killer choosing to place a piece of Eddowes bloodied apron underneath the GSG that matters, and the reasoning behind making that choice in the first place.

Except that we can't say for certain that the killer deliberately placed the apron. He might have simply tossed it and by coincidence it landed near the writing.

c.d.

[The Rookie Detective]

Hi Tani! I agree; I don't buy the GSG as being written by the Ripper. For years I have been calling it "the great Non-Clue."

Ah you are indeed correct that the Ripper didn't write the GSG...

But that's missing the point...

It's the meaning, symbolism and sentiment behind the killer choosing to place a piece of Eddowes bloodied apron underneath the GSG that matters, and the reasoning behind making that choice in the first place.


He was either a Jew who was trying to prove a point

A Non-Jew who was being sarcastic and ironic...

Or a Non Jew who was trying to pass as a Jew



All of those options still apply within the context of the placing of the apron under the GSG



RD

[FrankO]

Risk taking to murder someone and take a sexual thrill in disembowelling isn't really on par with graffitiing a fence. There's not the thrill there that one gets from slicing a body up. That's worth the risk for him; I don't think a silly message is worth being caight over.

Indeed, Tani, the thing is that we know for a fact the Ripper risked his very life by staying on the crime scene to inflict those mutilations, but there's only little evidence that might suggest he got something out of leaving messages and that, therefore, there's only little evidence at best, that he was willing to risk his life for that.

[FISHY1118]

Its ok to speculate, but with caution especially where the GsG is concerned .

[Tani]

I dont think we can say what or how the murderer was thinking during these crimes , what we might think ''we'' would or wouldnt do, cant be said for the killer im afaide.

There's not much point to speculation in that case. I'll just go home

[FISHY1118]

Risk taking to murder someone and take a sexual thrill in disembowelling isn't really on par with graffitiing a fence. There's not the thrill there that one gets from slicing a body up. That's worth the risk for him; I don't think a silly message is worth being caight over.

I dont think we can say what or how the murderer was thinking during these crimes , what we might think ''we'' would or wouldnt do, cant be said for the killer im afaide.

[Tani]

For all the points you mentioned in your post ,i would have thought that writing the message on the wall would fit right in with the very same kind of risk taking .Just my opinion.

Risk taking to murder someone and take a sexual thrill in disembowelling isn't really on par with graffitiing a fence. There's not the thrill there that one gets from slicing a body up. That's worth the risk for him; I don't think a silly message is worth being caight over.

[FISHY1118]

I find it very hard to believe that a murderer at this point operating almost in daylight in a backyard would hang around to write a message in chalk. Those few seconds could, and in this murder series seem often to have been, a matter of getaway or being caught. It seems unlikely someone murdering 'in a box' with multiple potential witnesses through windows, an open door policy, a bloke sitting on the other side of the fence and the sun coming up would waste time scribbling ultimately meaningless messages.

I just can't buy it.

For all the points you mentioned in your post ,i would have thought that writing the message on the wall would fit right in with the very same kind of risk taking .Just my opinion.

[FrankO]

I'm not convinced by this statement, though, as I said before. We must be wary of seeing ritual where they may just be accident.

...

So, no graffito from the killer for me.

Hi Tani,

I agree with you. What drove the Ripper were the mutilations. If scribblings also did something for him and if he wanted to be sure they would be connected to him, he could have pinned letters on his victims or put them in their pockets.

What I think may have been important to him, however, was getting his money back before he left. If so, this might well explain the items left around Chapman and Eddowes. Just a thought of mine.

All the best,
Frank

[Holmes' Idiot Brother]

I find it very hard to believe that a murderer at this point operating almost in daylight in a backyard would hang around to write a message in chalk. Those few seconds could, and in this murder series seem often to have been, a matter of getaway or being caught. It seems unlikely someone murdering 'in a box' with multiple potential witnesses through windows, an open door policy, a bloke sitting on the other side of the fence and the sun coming up would waste time scribbling ultimately meaningless messages.

I just can't buy it.

Hi Tani! I agree; I don't buy the GSG as being written by the Ripper. For years I have been calling it "the great Non-Clue."

[Tani]

Hi Tani

I agree I cannot see with the mayhem of the night how the Ripper would suddenly decide you know what I'll leave a cryptic message on the wall. He had nearly been caught earlier and the night was wearing on. Also if he was that way inclined Mary's room would be the ideal time to practice his literary art.

Yes, he also wrote hundreds of letters and sent organs to folks. He's a busy man.