Hairdressers of East London

[Roy Corduroy]

St George in the East

Hairdresser at 45 Cannon Street Road spelled Flattor or Flatau in the directories.

In the '81 census, Isaac Flatto, hairdresser age 44, wife Rachel 39, son Michael 15, mother-in-law Annie 75, all born Poland. And three daughters, Sarah 11, Betsy 5 and Minnie 0, all born local.

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A nearby photo. The Frumkin family at their kosher wine and spirits shop on the corner of Commercial Road and Cannon Street Road, c.1912

[Robert]

Well, I need jump leads to look my best.

[Phil Carter]

Great stuff. On a humorous note : guess where Phil can get a makeover in Brighton.



http://www.sphairandbeauty.co.uk/location.htm

Hello Robert, Chris,

Thanks for the corrected update..appreciated.

Robert.. I am WAAAAAAY past a makeover. The Phantom of the Opera has a better chance of improvement than me. LOL




Phil

[Robert]

Great stuff. On a humorous note : guess where Phil can get a makeover in Brighton.

http://www.sphairandbeauty.co.uk/location.htm

[Chris]

Ahem! Phil, I didn't say they emigrated in 1924, just that they were in Oz in 1924.

Yes; there's a record in a passenger list for a voyage from London to Melbourne in November 1919 (Mr D. and Mrs R. Kozminski).

[Robert]

Thanks for that info Chris.

[Robert]

Ahem! Phil, I didn't say they emigrated in 1924, just that they were in Oz in 1924. They weren't at Batman - that was Barnett and Rosie, who are listed there in 1924 while Daniel and Rosie are listed in turn at their address in 1924. Daniel may well have been alive in 1931 - there is a Daniel and Rosie for that year, but Daniel is a chiropodist. The 1924 Daniel had been a hairdresser. Nevertheless this could well be our man.

There is a cross through the 1911 census for children born. I took them to have made this mark but I suppose it could have been the enumerator. Given that Rosie was 52, if there were children, they must have been born previously.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Chris,

Many thanks for these. Most kind of you.

The ages are a problem, from sure..I believe from the previous census material that Daniel is listed as being born 1858..meaning that he would have been 74 when he died in 1932, as opposed to 69, and Rosie 72 in 1931.

Carlton, a suburb of Melbourne, Victoria, fits exactly though... the addie in 1924 in Australia is 89 Elgin St, Carlton South, Melbourne.

I can't find any viable alternatives to these two though, so I think you must be right.

Many thanks again


Phil

[Chris]

Daniel and Rosa/Rose/Rosie emigrated to Australia in 1924 and settled in Melbourne. At one time, in a suburb called Batman...lol

Neither Robert or myself can find any offspring from this couple. Daniel was still alive in 1931, at least, and possibly Rose in 1936, though the registration from 1936 shows a husband called Barnett Kozminsky..yes..Barnett.

This may well be another couple though.

I have noted deaths for Rosie Kozminsky, aged 81, at Carlton in 1931 and Danl Kozminsky, aged 69, at S Kilda in 1932 (from http://www.bdm.vic.gov.au/home/famil...l+index+online ).

The ages are a bit out (quite a bit in Rosie's case), but I think these are the right people.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Roy,

A final follow up, with thanks to Robert, the old seadog for his help...

Daniel and Rosa/Rose/Rosie emigrated to Australia in 1924 and settled in Melbourne. At one time, in a suburb called Batman...lol

Neither Robert or myself can find any offspring from this couple. Daniel was still alive in 1931, at least, and possibly Rose in 1936, though the registration from 1936 shows a husband called Barnett Kozminsky..yes..Barnett.

This may well be another couple though.

Phil

[Roy Corduroy]

Stepney Green

Well Robert, you know what they say - better Gooned than Mooned And yes Phil, I agree, Scott doesn't miss a beat. Brighton, I see. Thank you.





Francis Comber and wife Theresa were born in Ireland. Two sons and three daughters born local.

[Robert]

You rotten swine! :

http://www.thegoonshow.net/scripts_show.asp?title=s05e04_the_phantom_head_shaver

[Robert]

There was also a Gabriel Kozminski hairdresser.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Roy,

Thanks for that.

I refer, interestingly, to the Casebook dissertation by Scott Nelson, entitled
Jewish Witness Connection: Some Further Speculations,

shown here:-

http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/rip-polishjew.html?printer=true

where it states, in part, the following:-



Of the other possible candidates for Kosminski’s ‘brother,’ one is Daniel Kosminski, a hairdresser like Aaron. Daniel and his wife, Rosa, had come to London prior to 1881. In the 1881 census, Daniel and Rosa Kosminski were living on Bromehead Street in Stepney, before moving within the City of London borough at no. 102 Houndsditch from 1886 to 1890. Daniel and his family left these premises after 1890, when they appear in the 1891 census at Upper Baker Street, Marylebone, close to another hairdresser, George Kosminski, who lived on Strafford Street, and to Martin Kosminski, who lived at 48 Berners Street. The prior Houndsditch location is interesting because it was approximately halfway between Mitre Square and the Wentworth Model Dwellings at no. 108–119 on Goulston Street, where a piece of Eddowes’ apron was dropped by the killer. If the Ripper had fled east from Mitre Square in order to clean up or store the victim’s organs at his residence, he may have returned to the streets and continued walking east to deposit the apron, and thereby create a false trail by doubling back to his house.

(my emphasis and underlining)



Phil

Hello all,

Here's a shortened list of Kozminski's in the 1911 census which I also find interesting..please note the place where they were living.


KOZMINSKI DANIEL M 1858 53 Brighton Sussex

KOZMINSKI ROSIE F 1859 52 Brighton Sussex

In the 1881 census, Daniel and Rosa Kosminski were living, I believe, in Bromehead Street in Stepney, before they moved to within the City of London. Their addie then was 102, Houndsditch from 1886 to 1890. Daniel and Rosa left these premises after 1890. They appear in the 1891 census living in 8, Upper Baker Street, Marylebone, I believe

Makes you ponder, doesn't it.


Phil

[Phil Carter]

a little snippet extra

Hello Roy,

Thanks for that.

I refer, interestingly, to the Casebook dissertation by Scott Nelson, entitled
Jewish Witness Connection: Some Further Speculations,

shown here:-

http://www.casebook.org/dissertations/rip-polishjew.html?printer=true

where it states, in part, the following:-



Of the other possible candidates for Kosminski’s ‘brother,’ one is Daniel Kosminski, a hairdresser like Aaron. Daniel and his wife, Rosa, had come to London prior to 1881. In the 1881 census, Daniel and Rosa Kosminski were living on Bromehead Street in Stepney, before moving within the City of London borough at no. 102 Houndsditch from 1886 to 1890. Daniel and his family left these premises after 1890, when they appear in the 1891 census at Upper Baker Street, Marylebone, close to another hairdresser, George Kosminski, who lived on Strafford Street, and to Martin Kosminski, who lived at 48 Berners Street. The prior Houndsditch location is interesting because it was approximately halfway between Mitre Square and the Wentworth Model Dwellings at no. 108–119 on Goulston Street, where a piece of Eddowes’ apron was dropped by the killer. If the Ripper had fled east from Mitre Square in order to clean up or store the victim’s organs at his residence, he may have returned to the streets and continued walking east to deposit the apron, and thereby create a false trail by doubling back to his house.

(my emphasis and underlining)



Phil