Serious issue regarding Business Records from 19th Century

[Elamarna]

Hi all

just re read the old threads on these warehouses,

And it was suggested by AP Wolf that there was also a link to 29 Hanbury street, with the manufacture of packing cases , he was proposing Cutbush of course who had worked in the tea trade in a minor role.


Wonder if anyone else had links to Kearly and Tonge in particular, might be an area worth investigating.

steve

[GUT]

might be worth seeing if it links in anyway with the remaining sites?

Agreed

[Elamarna]

Pierre saying it means nothing to me, but anything that's linked to two sites needs looking at closely.

might be worth seeing if it links in anyway with the remaining sites?

[GUT]

I may be wrong, but didn't Pierre say once that we needed to find someone who could be linked with more than one murder site? If I am wrong I put my hands up and apologize.

so here we have a company linking two sites, so is there someone we have missed who is linked to the company ?

steve

Pierre saying it means nothing to me, but anything that's linked to two sites needs looking at closely.

[Elamarna]

There's also this thread from 2011, which shows the location and even a picture of the K&T warehouses on Durward Street . It seems they were at the western end, on the northern side. But they don't seem to be on 1880's maps, nor modern ones.

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4921/12260.html

Also discussed on JTRForums;

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=13459

I may be wrong, but didn't Pierre say once that we needed to find someone who could be linked with more than one murder site? If I am wrong I put my hands up and apologize.

so here we have a company linking two sites, so is there someone we have missed who is linked to the company ?

steve

[Joshua Rogan]

There's also this thread from 2011, which shows the location and even a picture of the K&T warehouses on Durward Street . It seems they were at the western end, on the northern side. But they don't seem to be on 1880's maps, nor modern ones.

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4921/12260.html

Also discussed on JTRForums;

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=13459

[GUT]

Yes, but it must have had much of the tea of China in it - not to mention from India. You would need plenty of space (I bet the odor inside the warehouse was extremely pleasant).

Jeff

And all those jam, cakes and sweets would go well.

Is anything known about who their agents were in India.

[Mayerling]

Wow that's a big warehouse.

Yes, but it must have had much of the tea of China in it - not to mention from India. You would need plenty of space (I bet the odor inside the warehouse was extremely pleasant).

Jeff

[GUT]

Not only Mitre Square, it seems they also have a connection to Buck's Row, albeit possibly a little later;


"The wholesale price list of January, 1895, refers to the Mitre Square office and the Durward Street warehouse, with 130,000 square feet of floor area, as being by far the largest operated by any similar firm in the United Kingdom. The manufacture of jams, cakes, biscuits, sweets, etc., began at Durward Street in that year."

Wow that's a big warehouse.

[Rosella]

A discussion about Kearley and Tonge which took place here on Casebook way back in 2003.

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4920/5546.html

[Mayerling]

Kearly & Tonge did get about. Perhaps there are comments in their records for 1888 regarding the killings. I also wonder about who could have been their agents regarding tea, or representing the tea growing sources abroad.

Jeff

[Joshua Rogan]

Thank you Steve. It is good to see that there may be records regarding Kearly and Tonge, the warehouse people servicing the tea trade, who were at Mitre Square.

Not only Mitre Square, it seems they also have a connection to Buck's Row, albeit possibly a little later;


"The wholesale price list of January, 1895, refers to the Mitre Square office and the Durward Street warehouse, with 130,000 square feet of floor area, as being by far the largest operated by any similar firm in the United Kingdom. The manufacture of jams, cakes, biscuits, sweets, etc., began at Durward Street in that year."

[Mayerling]

Mayerling, have you checked out the NA's business records info:
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/help-with-your-research/research-guides/businesses/
There's also the Business Archives Council: http://www.businessarchivescouncil.org.uk/

Lots of archives collect records from businesses, just as they collect from individuals or associations.
Some specialise more in one kind than in the other, so it's a matter of your starting point - is it local business, what kind of archive is there in that area etc.

Of course, some businesses are big enough to have their own visitors' centre with museum and archive. But it sounds like you're looking for something smaller.

Interesting to find these websites. As the records of an East End business (according to the business archives council, might be stored in a local site, the danger that such was lost in the Blitz is always there.

Jeff

[Mayerling]

jeff

Some companies got amalgamated and still exist, but if any records exist is a separate issue.

one which funnily enough has a ripper related link is international stores

http://www.internationalstores.co.uk/


There is some comment in the old archives too about records at that particular company, interesting comments by the late Chris Scott.
Noticed that when I was checking out something else recently.

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4920/5546.html

Not sure where else one could look for old company records.

Steve

Thank you Steve. It is good to see that there may be records regarding Kearly and Tonge, the warehouse people servicing the tea trade, who were at Mitre Square. I'm glad to see this old firm, once tied through Kearly to Tetley & Co., tea growers, still has left it's records behind. Apparently it's agents had contacts with tea growers around the globe, in and out of the Empire, but including tea plantations in Ceylon and India. The records may even show who represented these sources of tea when sending cargos to London for storage and sale. Anyone could be on them!

Jeff

[GUT]

jeff

Some companies got amalgamated and still exist, but if any records exist is a separate issue.

one which funnily enough has a ripper related link is international stores

http://www.internationalstores.co.uk/


There is some comment in the old archives too about records at that particular company, interesting comments by the late Chris Scott.
Noticed that when I was checking out something else recently.

http://www.casebook.org/forum/messages/4920/5546.html

Not sure where else one could look for old company records.

Steve

Cool I'll do some searching, didn't think of them.