JtR FINAL Victim Body to be exhumed

[packers stem]

Eddowes gave her name as Mary Ann Kelly and an address before she was released from custody

[packers stem]

Hi Gut
Of course you are right ,they didn't have the same name but they were both using that name on the day they died and that makes it even more interesting in my view if they were both using an uncommon name as a pseudonym dont you think
And yes ,the last two in my opinion and that of the overwhelming majority

[GUT]

Hi Robert
The significance for me is that even if we up the age limit to 45 and estimate about 90 in london its still an extremely low number in a city of that size ....would surely be only half a dozen or so in the area relevent to the killings
Wasn't just a random 2 from 5 ....it was the last two ...
if you called over 5 people in a shopping mall ,what would be the chances of the last two to walk over having the same name....especially if it was uncommon name for the area

But they didn't have the same name.

One had a pawn ticket in that name, was it hers?

The other well who knows.

And we're they the last two, or merely two of a series?

[packers stem]

Hi Robert
The significance for me is that even if we up the age limit to 45 and estimate about 90 in london its still an extremely low number in a city of that size ....would surely be only half a dozen or so in the area relevent to the killings
Wasn't just a random 2 from 5 ....it was the last two ...
if you called over 5 people in a shopping mall ,what would be the chances of the last two to walk over having the same name....especially if it was uncommon name for the area

[Robert]

Hi Packers

Well, I can't really assess the significance of the figures. When I did Mary Kelly, any age, county of London I got 209, IIRC. That's with a few Marys as middle names knocked off. That's higher than your figure, but that's because you limited it to ages 25 to 35. But Eddowes falls outside that age range, so you would have to widen your parameters somewhat.

I think I got about 2700 Mary Smiths of any age. The true figure will be lower because again there will be some Smiths with Mary as middle name and I was nowhere near those when I gave up clicking, so I was unable to count them.

[packers stem]

That is true Robert but it shouldn't be ignored that the last two victims both used a name,whether they used it all the time or not, on the day they died they were , which in reality probably only belonged to a tiny handful of people in an area containing many thousands

[Robert]

You have to make allowance for John Kelly, who may have influenced the surname albeit not the forename.

[Sam Flynn]

Thanks for the info, packers. Much appreciated.

I guess the trick is to see how often/likely "Mary Kelly" was used as a fake name. God knows how we'd find that out, though!

[packers stem]

Hi Sam
Counted 277 before i got to the point where they asked me to subscribe so you can probably add many,many more...
Suppose the last two victims had both pretended to be called Jane Smith then the odds would be shorter but the quite rare Mary Kelly???
48 in London(as a county) can we guess at there being maybe 2,3,4,5 possibly in spitalfields....

[Sam Flynn]

the odds against this happening in a series of 5 murders must be astronomical as there are only 48 real Mary Kellys listed (between the ages of 25-35) in the whole of London on the 1891 census,not spitalfields or whitechapel but London in its entirity

Out of interest, how many "John Smiths" were listed in the London 1891 census aged 25-35? John Smith is (reputedly) a common enough assumed name, so that might give us a benchmark.

[Steadmund Brand]

And Attila the Hun and Alexander the Great.

I think we are onto something.

not to mention Kermit The Frog and Bozo The Clown


Steadmund The Brand

[packers stem]

If this turns out to be true then this would give us a crazy situation where the last two victims BOTH PRETENDED to be called Mary Kelly!!!!!!
I'm no statistician but the odds against this happening in a series of 5 murders must be astronomical as there are only 48 real Mary Kellys listed(between the ages of 25-35) in the whole of London on the 1891 census,not spitalfields or whitechapel but London in its entirity...odds a bit lower if it was any 2 from 5,but the last two???
This must be close to being lottery winning odds....still random then?

[Robert]

Jack was the definite article. Leather Apron was the economy pack. As to whether there was a 'Jack A Ripper,' this will be discussed indefinitely.

[GUT]

Well Jack the Ripper and Winnie the Pooh have the same middle name. Coincidence? I don't think so.

And Attila the Hun and Alexander the Great.

I think we are onto something.

[richardh]

Well Jack the Ripper and Winnie the Pooh have the same middle name. Coincidence? I don't think so.

Nope Jack was his right name, as was Ripper, it was the middle name that threw them.