JtR FINAL Victim Body to be exhumed

[elmore 77]

Were they known as kellies in Ireland?I took it that the most commonly used alias at the time was Kelly due to Irish influence.Also I don't see Barnett being too bothered as he was probably poncing off her.

[packers stem]

I'm pretty sure we'd have spotted something by now if there were documentary evidence suggesting that 'mary kelly' was a blanket term for prostitutes
I've never seen anything to suggest this and think it could be a mix up with the male prostitutes in then Cleveland Street scandal being known as Mary Annes??
Surely Mary Kelly would not have used the name if this were the case,Barnett may not have been too chuffed either and i suspect Catherine Eddowes may have chosen not to use her boyfriends name...
DJA you have no reason to doubt it..why? are you saying there are known press reports at the time saying as such? obviously prior not post murders as post murders it could have been a term influenced by the murders..

[richardnunweek]

Hi.
I have read also that McCarthy is quoted to have said , Kelly a coal porter?..surely the landlord would have noticed a Coalman's appearance and one would think the wash sink in the court would have been used frequently.
Was that a press error?
Alias's were being used all the time..nothing new on that, but it would suggest that the female in room 13, was not a Kelly, and most likely a Davis/Davies,
The whole episode in her life is utterly confusing..
Regards Richard.

[Rosella]

Perhaps McCarthy was used to people around using aliases for various reasons so didn't comment on it.

I've never heard of Kelly being a generic name for a prostitute at that time either, and I'd love to know the source

[GUT]

Hi.
It is my belief that the name Kelly arose from Barnett, according to McCarthy , ''She came to live with a man named Kelly, and posed as his wife, becoming known therefore as ''Mary Jane[ as the residents knew her] Kelly.
Very simple..Kelly was Barnetts alias...I have often wondered when he used his real name whilst in the court, maybe only after the murder, and coming forward to the police?
Regards Richard.

Certainly seems that way to me.

Or was one of the other Joe s a Kelly, I can't make it fit, but find it a little puzzling that McCarthy never said "But he told me his name was Kelly".

[richardnunweek]

Hi.
It is my belief that the name Kelly arose from Barnett, according to McCarthy , ''She came to live with a man named Kelly, and posed as his wife, becoming known therefore as ''Mary Jane[ as the residents knew her] Kelly.
Very simple..Kelly was Barnetts alias...I have often wondered when he used his real name whilst in the court, maybe only after the murder, and coming forward to the police?
Regards Richard.

[GUT]

I think Prosector put the idea forward in the press.

First I'd heard of it.

No reason to doubt it.

I'd heard the claim before then, but no one can give me any authority for it.

[DJA]

I think Prosector put the idea forward in the press.

First I'd heard of it.

No reason to doubt it.

[GUT]

Hi Gut,
I take it to relate to the influx of Irish into London,so lots of Irish prostitutes

Btw welcome to Casebook.

What I was wondering is do you know any authority to support the claim that Kelly was term for prostitute.

[elmore 77]

Hi Gut,
I take it to relate to the influx of Irish into London,so lots of Irish prostitutes

[GUT]

I read somewhere that the name Kelly was commonly used as an alias for prostitutes,so probably not that unusual.

G'day Elmore

I've heard that saud many times (on Casebook) but have no idea where it comes from, have you?

[elmore 77]

I read somewhere that the name Kelly was commonly used as an alias for prostitutes,so probably not that unusual.

[John Wheat]

I believe Bill Beadle mentioned the chances of the victims having certain names in his book 'Jack the Ripper Unmasked'.

[packers stem]

Seems extremely unlikely to have been random to me Robert
I know that doesn't sit comfortably for most as motive appears and profiling flies out of the window but i find this impossible to ignore and pass off as coincidence personally
If it were any two out of twenty of thirty maybe but the last two from five!!
I would be interested in what a statistician would make of the likely odds against this happening by chance

[Robert]

Hi Packers

So are you arguing that Kate and Mary were not chosen at random?