JtR FINAL Victim Body to be exhumed

[Bridewell]

Coincidences do happen. Elizabeth Long gave evidence at the Chapman inquest. The next victim was nicknamed Long Liz.

[Gene Lewis]

He'll have to hire someone with expertise

may i suggest Doctor Jari Louhelainen ?

[Sam Flynn]

Hi.
Kelly a coal porter?

Well, anything goes.

[richardnunweek]

Obviously, not implying that the woman known as Mary Jane was a coal porter,but it was reported in one press account, the male she was living with , and according to that account, it would suggest the man she came to live with, which then implies, she moved in with him..
All very confusing, but we would not want it any other way..would we?
Regards Richard.

[packers stem]

Hi Bridewell
I've thought about the 'long liz' situation before with respect to Liz long and I've always suspected that it was mistaken identity and an attempt to silence a witness as opposed to any coincidence.
Yes,coincidences can and do occur in life but this, showing the relatively small number of Mary Kellys available to find, would be absolutely astonishing and far too ridiculous to contemplate in my view.
Whatever the reason was for Eddowes to use the name Mary Kelly on that fateful night is irrelevant... Fact is, she did.
I could never accept that some lone miscreant stumbled upon a Mary Kelly that night and then low and behold does the same again 6 weeks later as coincidence.
I'm sure many people will but these same people might also blame coincidence if 3, 4 or 5 of the victims used the same name

[DJA]

I'm pretty sure we'd have spotted something by now if there were documentary evidence suggesting that 'mary kelly' was a blanket term for prostitutes
I've never seen anything to suggest this and think it could be a mix up with the male prostitutes in then Cleveland Street scandal being known as Mary Annes??
Surely Mary Kelly would not have used the name if this were the case,Barnett may not have been too chuffed either and i suspect Catherine Eddowes may have chosen not to use her boyfriends name...
DJA you have no reason to doubt it..why? are you saying there are known press reports at the time saying as such? obviously prior not post murders as post murders it could have been a term influenced by the murders..

Yep. There were Mollies who were known as Mary Anne.

I was in contact with Prosector last year.

He has a distinguished medical and research career.Autoimmune diseases.

Doubt he'd invent that.

Coal would have caused the kettle to melt and clothing burn in a Victorian fireplace.
Grew up with one in Camberwell.

[DJA]

Richard

I don't recall seeing the porter quote.

But if so I can imagine a pressman being told Joe was a porter and writing coal porter ray than market porter.

Reporter prolly told Joe enjoyed a cold porter after work

[Sam Flynn]

So nobody got my "Cole Porter" pun? I must be getting old!

Even Nunners didn't get it, and he's older than Saturn

[packers stem]

And if and when the evidence for 'mollies' is presented DJA great,be delighted to accept it but to suggest someone's supposition is correct purely because he's got a distinguished career doesn't really hold any water with me I'm afraid.Met many ripper authors in conferences in the late 90's, all decent fellas but with their own theories and if I'd believed them all... Well lol
More than happy to bow to his experience in his particular medical field but for anything else it's a level playing field and I don't believe every theory from a decent bloke

[Robert]

I got it, Gareth.

But coal porter....prostitute.....whichever way you look at it, lot of humping involved.

[Sam Flynn]

But coal porter....prostitute.....whichever way you look at it, lot of humping involved.

Indeed, Robert. Not to mention all that wheezing and the eventual emptying of sacks.

I'll get me coat.

[Rosemary]

More

I'm throwing in Ethelred the Unready. I see patterns too, but I have synesthesia so I see them in colors. Colours to you lot.

[DJA]

Really.

Those Danes can be a problem.Can see his problem. ROFL.

Can you do the mathematical thingy or have any other Super powers.

[Rosemary]

Synesthesia etc

Really.

Those Danes can be a problem.Can see his problem. ROFL.

Can you do the mathematical thingy or have any other Super powers.

Nope but I know voodoo, can't play cards well, because I see the numbers as colors & sometimes people. I also have Ménière's Disease & that weird response system thingy where certain sounds that others find boring or annoying, like clattering on a computer keyboard & such, I find calming. It's a crazy wiring in the brain, where smells can evoke colors & particularly strong memories. Sometimes I hear music when I look at fabric. Math was easy--just combine colors. Some singers' voices evoke unpleasant colors. Strange, but I've adjusted.

[DJA]

Ironic that this thread concerns a specialist in Autoimmune Diseases.

Anyone know how Jane Coram and daughter are faring?