Did Jack the Ripper live in London City jurisdiction?

[DJA]

Dave,

At this point, could you please (yet again) run through the process of how Sutton got Eddowes' body to the corner of Mitre Square?

Out through the window and through the gate.

She was dead.He could not have operated on her eyelids with a Liston knife in the dark of Mitre Square.

Hence no splatter.

The eyelids would have contained cholesterol.This was research that Gull and Sutton had been doing for a long time.

[GBinOz]

Dave,

At this point, could you please (yet again) run through the process of how Sutton got Eddowes' body to the corner of Mitre Square?

Hi Dave,

I join Scott is asking for the details of your theory in this regard.

My understanding is that Eddowes and her husband, Kelly, pawned his boots and spent the money on a breakfast, leaving them both broke. Somehow she managed to acquire sufficient funds or favours to become falling down drunk in Aldgate, near The Three Nuns pub, across from Butcher's Row. After being incarcerated until 1am, she was seen to depart in the direction of Aldgate rather than the direction of her home. Scott produced an excellent dissertation showing news reports of a man and woman leaving the vicinity of Aldgate station and the man returning alone a short time latter.

Over to you Dave (whenever your health circumstances allow).

Cheers, George

[Scott Nelson]

Dave,

At this point, could you please (yet again) run through the process of how Sutton got Eddowes' body to the corner of Mitre Square?

[DJA]

Firstly Brown was wrong.The parts taken away were useful.

Secondly,I am convinced that Gull was behind WEG's letter.

[Fiver]

He was obviously wrong.

So you'll take the medical opinion of a politician over the medical opinion of an actual doctor? That explains a lot.

[DJA]

He was obviously wrong.

[Fiver]

Gladstone was a politician, not an expert in medicine.

Coroner S. F. Langham - Would the parts removed be of any use for professional purposes?
Dr. Frederick Gordon Brown - None whatever.

[GBinOz]

Hi Erobitha- both Levy and Maybrick were associated with Middlesex Street. I believe Maybrick states in his diary that he boarded there but, someone correct me if I am wrong, but he does not say whether it was on the Metro or London City side of Middlesex. That strikes me as the witness George Hutchinson claimed a second citing of the Man he claims he saw with Kelly just before she was murdered.

Levy is a different story. He lived and worked as a licensed Kosher Butcher at #36 Middlesex which was given to him by his Aunt Francis who happened to be the witness ( who inferred he knows something) Joseph Hyam Levy's mother.
This was on the London City side.

I think by now everyone knows the Jacob Levy story and his background and association with Goulston Street and conviction of theft, attempted suicide and stigma of being a convicted criminal lunatic. In contrast to Maybrick the picture for him is a lot less clear. Did he read about Hutchinson?

Not sure what is meant by the bolt hole at #6 Mitre but that sounds interesting. I do not believe the murders fanned out from London Hospital. They are primarily off the 3 major thoroughfares of commercial street, road and Whitechapel High Street. Again all except Eddowes in Metro

The thoroughfares went dark after the double event but only for a few weeks. It was active and easily navigated as we see from the reaction of the Police forces that night.

Whoever JTR was he knew the habits of this area and was why he never got caught. He was familiar with ways of the Whitechapel streets which were dangerous. And if he lived there and worked there and played there, he had an advantage.

My 2 cents..Cheers

Hi Patrick,

Jacob Levy is, IMO, a strong person of interest. The reference to the bolt hole at #6 Mitre St is part of Dave's theory regarding Henry Sutton. It attempts to explain the delicate incisions to Eddowes eyelids.

While I do not discount the "Jack was a butcher" theories, I have difficulty discarding the dissecting room procedures exhibited at the Eddowes crime scene.

Keep up the good work Patrick.

Cheers, George

[erobitha]

Hi Erobitha- both Levy and Maybrick were associated with Middlesex Street. I believe Maybrick states in his diary that he boarded there but, someone correct me if I am wrong, but he does not say whether it was on the Metro or London City side of Middlesex. That strikes me as the witness George Hutchinson claimed a second citing of the Man he claims he saw with Kelly just before she was murdered.

Levy is a different story. He lived and worked as a licensed Kosher Butcher at #36 Middlesex which was given to him by his Aunt Francis who happened to be the witness ( who inferred he knows something) Joseph Hyam Levy's mother.
This was on the London City side.

I think by now everyone knows the Jacob Levy story and his background and association with Goulston Street and conviction of theft, attempted suicide and stigma of being a convicted criminal lunatic. In contrast to Maybrick the picture for him is a lot less clear. Did he read about Hutchinson?

Not sure what is meant by the bolt hole at #6 Mitre but that sounds interesting. I do not believe the murders fanned out from London Hospital. They are primarily off the 3 major thoroughfares of commercial street, road and Whitechapel High Street. Again all except Eddowes in Metro

The thoroughfares went dark after the double event but only for a few weeks. It was active and easily navigated as we see from the reaction of the Police forces that night.

Whoever JTR was he knew the habits of this area and was why he never got caught. He was familiar with ways of the Whitechapel streets which were dangerous. And if he lived there and worked there and played there, he had an advantage.

My 2 cents..Cheers

Hi Patrick,

Maybrick would be my specialist area of interest, and I would not profess knowing too much about Levy beyond the superficial facts.

Regardless of the diary, James Maybrick strongly associated with that part of London. We know he worked at 46 Lime Street in 1866. We know he was involved in acquiring a business at 45 Lime Street. We know his "wife" Sarah Ann Robertson lived in the census district of Whitechapel for many years. We know he knows the general geography of the City of London / Whitechapel census district based on these records. Research unearthed post-diary discovery.

Now, some argue that was twenty years prior to the murders, and much can change in an area. Indeed. The diarist interestingly knew they had to familiarise the streets once again. It's just good guesswork by the forger, probably.

[Patrick Differ]

Hi Erobitha- both Levy and Maybrick were associated with Middlesex Street. I believe Maybrick states in his diary that he boarded there but, someone correct me if I am wrong, but he does not say whether it was on the Metro or London City side of Middlesex. That strikes me as the witness George Hutchinson claimed a second citing of the Man he claims he saw with Kelly just before she was murdered.

Levy is a different story. He lived and worked as a licensed Kosher Butcher at #36 Middlesex which was given to him by his Aunt Francis who happened to be the witness ( who inferred he knows something) Joseph Hyam Levy's mother.
This was on the London City side.

I think by now everyone knows the Jacob Levy story and his background and association with Goulston Street and conviction of theft, attempted suicide and stigma of being a convicted criminal lunatic. In contrast to Maybrick the picture for him is a lot less clear. Did he read about Hutchinson?

Not sure what is meant by the bolt hole at #6 Mitre but that sounds interesting. I do not believe the murders fanned out from London Hospital. They are primarily off the 3 major thoroughfares of commercial street, road and Whitechapel High Street. Again all except Eddowes in Metro

The thoroughfares went dark after the double event but only for a few weeks. It was active and easily navigated as we see from the reaction of the Police forces that night.

Whoever JTR was he knew the habits of this area and was why he never got caught. He was familiar with ways of the Whitechapel streets which were dangerous. And if he lived there and worked there and played there, he had an advantage.

My 2 cents..Cheers

[DJA]

Very true.

The murders initially fanned out from the vicinity of The London Hospital.

[erobitha]

Or he could have worked in the City of London. A good profiler would not just be limited to living, as high familiarity could come from working in an area, too.

[DJA]

582 × 780

[GBinOz]

The nicks to Eddowes' eyelids were not done with a Liston knife in the darkness of Mitre Square.

Couldn't agree more Dave. Nor with a drunken buffoon with a pen knife.

Cheers, George

[DJA]

Was there an advantage for JTR to live in the London City jurisdiction since all the Whitechapel murders, except Eddowes, was in Metro Jurisdiction ?

Could the killer have lived in the London City side between mitre square and Middlesex street? Yes and he would have the perfect hideout in my opinion. Possibly never approached by London City police and no jurisdiction by Metro.

in their midst? Would be the simple answer .

Convinced that he had a bolt hole at 6 Mitre Street.
The nicks to Eddowes' eyelids were not done with a Liston knife in the darkness of Mitre Square.