What are the chances of….?

[Michael W Richards]

The issue with the Lawende sighting are not limited to the man he says he saw, but couldnt be sure he could identify with 2 weeks time,....its also with his ID of the woman he says was Kate. We have Packer saying he identified Stride, we have have Mrs Long saying she identified Annie, we have Brown saying he identified Stride, we have Hutchinson saying he identified Mary with Astrakan, we have Carrie Maxwell saying she identified Mary out at 8am on Friday...yet we cannot be sure of any of these sightings and ID's. And thats just a few of these "ID's".

[DJA]

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[GBinOz]

GWalter if memory serves, and unfortunately all these mini strokes has sent the steel trap more than a tad rusty.

According to Maynard, he was named for his aunt, and the "G" is silent.

[GUT]

Maynard G Krebs - What does the "G" stand for? Walter

GWalter if memory serves, and unfortunately all these mini strokes has sent the steel trap more than a tad rusty.

[GBinOz]

You rang?

Maynard G Krebs - What does the "G" stand for? Walter

[DJA]

A very small number of Ripperologists are doing original research that may reveal new facts about the case. 99% of us are just telling stories and debating the plausibility of these stories.

You rang?

[Damaso Marte]

Scratch any "fact" in the Ripper case and you will quickly reveal a series of assumptions and decisions about which conflicting sources to trust or which conflicting possibilities to believe. This is why we are still talking about this case almost 150 years later.

A very small number of Ripperologists are doing original research that may reveal new facts about the case. 99% of us are just telling stories and debating the plausibility of these stories. That's probably all the field will ever be. It's why we come here and we love it.

[Lewis C]

Hi Lewis C

I think I need to go to the book. In the review the reference to Deeming is restricted to:
According to Millington, Deeming was in Plymouth in early September 1888 and left there on 27 September 1888. He was using the name Lawson. The Double Event was two days later.

I could not find any reference to dates around the earlier murders. I think we should probably stop on this thread and start a new one about Deeming if there is more to discuss. Though as yet, not seen anything that moves me to look deeper. Perhaps if I find and read the book I might start one.

The book is available for about £50 on Amazon, so will wait until i can find a more affordable copy.

That sounds like a plan. It seems like that book is a significant enough addition to Ripper research that it should have made more of a splash than it did.

[etenguy]

I found it. It's in Ripperologist 142 (Feb 2015), page 91. It's a review by Paul Begg of a book about Deeming by Roger Billington called The Other Jack the Ripper. I'm guessing that you either have this issue of Ripperologist in your computer or know where to find it online, or both, but if not, I can help you find it.

Hi Lewis C

I think I need to go to the book. In the review the reference to Deeming is restricted to:
According to Millington, Deeming was in Plymouth in early September 1888 and left there on 27 September 1888. He was using the name Lawson. The Double Event was two days later.

I could not find any reference to dates around the earlier murders. I think we should probably stop on this thread and start a new one about Deeming if there is more to discuss. Though as yet, not seen anything that moves me to look deeper. Perhaps if I find and read the book I might start one.

The book is available for about £50 on Amazon, so will wait until i can find a more affordable copy.

[etenguy]

I found it. It's in Ripperologist 142 (Feb 2015), page 91. It's a review by Paul Begg of a book about Deeming by Roger Billington called The Other Jack the Ripper. I'm guessing that you either have this issue of Ripperologist in your computer or know where to find it online, or both, but if not, I can help you find it.

Thanks Lewis c - I will look that up.

Hi Lewis C,

There has been more recent research that points to Deeming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQxY...el=DarkHistory

Thanks for posting the link, George, but I found the video unsatisfying overall - it was too light on important matters for me (for example the presenter simply said he had a report that might prove Deeming came to the UK in 1888 (about 19 minutes in) - he didn't provide any detail or even state what the report was - though he went on to say - if it is true, Deeming was in England at the time of the murders - it was he who said if. Then he went onto another subject). There were a number of instances of that kind of approach. I wouldn't personally put much store in that program. However the book looks a more promising source and I should remember that the video was made for a different audience, within time constraints and I am sure many found it interesting.

[Lewis C]

Hi Lewis C

That's interesting - I missed that. I had thought it was established he was in South Africa. Maybe a Deeming thread would be interesting soon, I'll see if I can find the book / review you mention.

I found it. It's in Ripperologist 142 (Feb 2015), page 91. It's a review by Paul Begg of a book about Deeming by Roger Billington called The Other Jack the Ripper. I'm guessing that you either have this issue of Ripperologist in your computer or know where to find it online, or both, but if not, I can help you find it.

[Lewis C]

Hi Lewis C,

There has been more recent research that points to Deeming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQxYiUUDZqk&t=10s&ab_channel=DarkHistory

I am personally unimpressed by the shawl's chain of custody. However, I look at Deeming's sister-in-law's statement that Deeming was living in Birkenhead at the time of the murder, with access to London by rail, the testimony by the dressmaker that he was in London at the time of the Eddowes murder, the match with the FBI profile, the "seafarer with a fair moustache" description by Lawende and the match with the height described by Levy, the "strange eyes", the resemblance of the photograph of Deeming to the sketch associated with the Kelly murder, and Deeming's statement that he had achieved revenge for his syphilise infection . How many of the more popular suspects tick this many boxes? If the DNA on the stamp could be matched to Deeming's wife the argument would become compelling, but that eventuality would seem unlikely at best

Cheers, George

Hi George,

In addition to that, Deeming is a known murderer who slit the throats of his victims. I think that he's in the top 10 of most likely of the named suspects to be JtR.

[etenguy]

Hi Lewis C,

There has been more recent research that points to Deeming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQxYiUUDZqk&t=10s&ab_channel=DarkHistory

I am personally unimpressed by the shawl's chain of custody. However, I look at Deeming's sister-in-law's statement that Deeming was living in Birkenhead at the time of the murder, with access to London by rail, the testimony by the dressmaker that he was in London at the time of the Eddowes murder, the match with the FBI profile, the "seafarer with a fair moustache" description by Lawende and the match with the height described by Levy, the "strange eyes", the resemblance of the photograph of Deeming to the sketch associated with the Kelly murder, and Deeming's statement that he had achieved revenge for his syphilise infection . How many of the more popular suspects tick this many boxes? If the DNA on the stamp could be matched to Deeming's wife the argument would become compelling, but that eventuality would seem unlikely at best

Cheers, George

Hi George

Will watch the linked video - thanks.

[etenguy]

Hi etenguy,

There has been research (I think from about 10 years ago) that claims to have proven that Deeming was in England and not in prison at the time of the murders. I think that I remember Paul Begg saying in a book review in Ripperologist that this new research succeeded in proving that Deeming was in England and free.

Hi Lewis C

That's interesting - I missed that. I had thought it was established he was in South Africa. Maybe a Deeming thread would be interesting soon, I'll see if I can find the book / review you mention.

[GBinOz]

Hi etenguy,

There has been research (I think from about 10 years ago) that claims to have proven that Deeming was in England and not in prison at the time of the murders. I think that I remember Paul Begg saying in a book review in Ripperologist that this new research succeeded in proving that Deeming was in England and free.

Hi Lewis C,

There has been more recent research that points to Deeming:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQxYiUUDZqk&t=10s&ab_channel=DarkHistory

I am personally unimpressed by the shawl's chain of custody. However, I look at Deeming's sister-in-law's statement that Deeming was living in Birkenhead at the time of the murder, with access to London by rail, the testimony by the dressmaker that he was in London at the time of the Eddowes murder, the match with the FBI profile, the "seafarer with a fair moustache" description by Lawende and the match with the height described by Levy, the "strange eyes", the resemblance of the photograph of Deeming to the sketch associated with the Kelly murder, and Deeming's statement that he had achieved revenge for his syphilise infection . How many of the more popular suspects tick this many boxes? If the DNA on the stamp could be matched to Deeming's wife the argument would become compelling, but that eventuality would seem unlikely at best

Cheers, George