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  • #16
    all the murders took place at beginning of month, or end of month including millwood and tabram. the only odd one out (in my c7) is mckenzie who was killed in the middle of the month. but she was the last and killed much later compared to the other murders so perhaps his work pattern had changed?

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    • #17
      Originally posted by caz View Post

      More of a remarkable coincidence for me is that the killer struck again within a few days of the Dear Boss letter being written and sent, threatening to get to work again right away, but before it was made public. If there had been no more murders after Hanbury Street, that letter would have been the dampest of damp squibs. But the murders didn't stop, and the timing was perfect. The author was even rewarded with an explosive double event on the very next occasion, resulting in the letter and the Saucy Jacky postcard spawning hundreds of mostly pale imitations and the 'trade name' taking on a life of its own.

      It's almost as if the killer knew about the promise made on his behalf, and the author knew the killer would not let him down.

      Love,

      Caz
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      Indeed, Caz. And if we believe that the Dear Boss and Saucy Jack communications were not written by the murderer - there is the also the coincidence in relation to Eddowes ear lobe being cut off. As you say it almost makes you believe that the killer knew what was in those communications whether or not he was the author (so someone who knew the writer or someone who had access either from the police or the central news bureau). Or it was just a coincidence.

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      • #18
        Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
        all the murders took place at beginning of month, or end of month including millwood and tabram. the only odd one out (in my c7) is mckenzie who was killed in the middle of the month. but she was the last and killed much later compared to the other murders so perhaps his work pattern had changed?
        That's right, if we stick with the C5 for the sake of a reasonable level of agreement about who was a victim of JtR, it was the end and then the beginning of each month the killings took place, with October missed out for some reason. It could tie in with a work pattern or some other life pattern that we don't know about.

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        • #19
          While we are discussing coincidences, I guess the most well known and argued about is the GSG. The apron piece was coincidently left near a piece of graffiti that was ambiguous enough that some think it refers to the JtR murders. Or perhaps it actually does.

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          • #20
            Originally posted by etenguy View Post
            While we are discussing coincidences, I guess the most well known and argued about is the GSG. The apron piece was coincidently left near a piece of graffiti that was ambiguous enough that some think it refers to the JtR murders. Or perhaps it actually does.
            of course it does. the gsg is a disparaging statement against jews and the ripper was disturbed/seen/interupted by jewish men that night, one who had a very jewish appearance and pissed off the ripper so much he yelled a racial slur at him. way too much of a coincidence.

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            • #21
              Originally posted by etenguy View Post

              Indeed, Caz. And if we believe that the Dear Boss and Saucy Jack communications were not written by the murderer - there is the also the coincidence in relation to Eddowes ear lobe being cut off. As you say it almost makes you believe that the killer knew what was in those communications whether or not he was the author (so someone who knew the writer or someone who had access either from the police or the central news bureau). Or it was just a coincidence.
              Hi etenguy,

              From the killer's point of view, if he authored the Dear Boss letter [or knew about it], there would have been an added incentive to repeat on his last job, in Hanbury Street, as soon as possible, to give Central News the scoop he had promised. That would have made him even keener to find a second victim if he wasn't able to live up to his trade name in Dutfield's Yard, because of all the comings and goings there. Imagine his humiliation if the letter was published the next day and he'd only managed to slit his next victim's throat.

              It may have been a coincidence, but if we allow for the alternative, we have a pretty clear example here of cause and effect.

              Same with the apron and the GSG. A serial killer will always try to blame someone or something else for his own failings. So I tend to see the message as Abby does, underlined by the apron piece, to blame local Jews for his need to kill a second woman that night, so he could mutilate this one and fulfil the Dear Boss prediction. "See what they made me do."

              And so it came to pass, with the confirmation arriving by way of the postcard postscript.

              Love,

              Caz
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              Last edited by caz; 05-20-2021, 01:59 PM.
              "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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              • #22
                Originally posted by caz View Post

                Hi etenguy,

                From the killer's point of view, if he authored the Dear Boss letter [or knew about it], there would have been an added incentive to repeat on his last job, in Hanbury Street, as soon as possible, to give Central News the scoop he had promised. That would have made him even keener to find a second victim if he wasn't able to live up to his trade name in Dutfield's Yard, because of all the comings and goings there. Imagine his humiliation if the letter was published the next day and he'd only managed to slit his next victim's throat.

                It may have been a coincidence, but if we allow for the alternative, we have a pretty clear example here of cause and effect.

                Same with the apron and the GSG. A serial killer will always try to blame someone or something else for his own failings. So I tend to see the message as Abby does, underlined by the apron piece, to blame local Jews for his need to kill a second woman that night, so he could mutilate this one and fulfil the Dear Boss prediction. "See what they made me do."

                And so it came to pass, with the confirmation arriving by way of the postcard postscript.

                Love,

                Caz
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                yes. and who but the killer would know about stride "squealed a bit" as in yelled out but not too loudly as a witness claimed? thats three things the writer of dear boss/saucy jack got right-starting again soon, cutting the ear off, and a victim squealing a bit.

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                to blame local Jews for his need to kill a second woman that night, so he could mutilate this one and fulfil the Dear Boss prediction.
                succinct observation

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                • #23
                  Cheers Abby.

                  The psychology is spot on too, isn't it? Stride 'squealed a bit', as if the killer saw her as a sow, an animal to be hunted. If a hoaxer wrote this, they had a good handle on the situation, and instantly recognised the phenomenon of the double event. It would be decades before the rest of us caught up, due to known repeat offenders, including Ted Bundy, doing a Dutfield's Yard to Mitre Square of their own.

                  Love,

                  Caz
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                  "Comedy is simply a funny way of being serious." Peter Ustinov


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                  • #24
                    Originally posted by caz View Post
                    Cheers Abby.

                    The psychology is spot on too, isn't it? Stride 'squealed a bit', as if the killer saw her as a sow, an animal to be hunted. If a hoaxer wrote this, they had a good handle on the situation, and instantly recognised the phenomenon of the double event. It would be decades before the rest of us caught up, due to known repeat offenders, including Ted Bundy, doing a Dutfield's Yard to Mitre Square of their own.

                    Love,

                    Caz
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                    indeed caz. and the tone and content is so much like later confirmed serial killer communications its hard to believe a hoaxer nailed that part too.

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                    • #25
                      Originally posted by caz View Post

                      From the killer's point of view, if he authored the Dear Boss letter [or knew about it], there would have been an added incentive to repeat on his last job, in Hanbury Street, as soon as possible, to give Central News the scoop he had promised. That would have made him even keener to find a second victim if he wasn't able to live up to his trade name in Dutfield's Yard, because of all the comings and goings there. Imagine his humiliation if the letter was published the next day and he'd only managed to slit his next victim's throat.
                      Or had he prepared for that possibility? You will soon hear of me with my funny little games.

                      It may have been a coincidence, but if we allow for the alternative, we have a pretty clear example here of cause and effect.
                      Not sure I would call a desire to live up to the trade name, cause and effect. Perhaps, free will and determination.

                      Same with the apron and the GSG. A serial killer will always try to blame someone or something else for his own failings. So I tend to see the message as Abby does, underlined by the apron piece, to blame local Jews for his need to kill a second woman that night, so he could mutilate this one and fulfil the Dear Boss prediction.
                      Dear Boss says nothing about blaming Jews - the author claims to be down on whores - so why assume a connection between it and the GSG?

                      "See what they made me do."
                      That interpretation ignores the tense of the GSG ...

                      The Juwes are the men that will not be blamed for nothing

                      "See what they made me do", would require something like this ...

                      The Juwes are the men that are not blamed for nothing

                      The real GSG is a prediction, not a statement of cause and effect.

                      And so it came to pass, with the confirmation arriving by way of the postcard postscript.
                      What did?
                      Andrew's the man, that is not blamed for nothing

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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by etenguy View Post

                        ....... And if we believe that the Dear Boss and Saucy Jack communications were not written by the murderer - there is the also the coincidence in relation to Eddowes ear lobe being cut off. As you say it almost makes you believe that the killer knew what was in those communications whether or not he was the author (so someone who knew the writer or someone who had access either from the police or the central news bureau). Or it was just a coincidence.
                        Ah, I can almost smell a new suspect entering the ring - Frederick Best was Jack the Ripper!

                        Regards, Jon S.

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                        • #27
                          Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post

                          yes. and who but the killer would know about stride "squealed a bit" as in yelled out but not too loudly as a witness claimed? thats three things the writer of dear boss/saucy jack got right-starting again soon, cutting the ear off, and a victim squealing a bit.
                          number one squealed a bit when I threw her down on the footway
                          yet when I picked her up and pulled her into the yard and forced her onto the ground, she was as quiet as a mouse!
                          Last edited by NotBlamedForNothing; 05-21-2021, 03:12 PM.
                          Andrew's the man, that is not blamed for nothing

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                          • #28
                            and down the NBFN rabbit hole we go. its even the avatar lol

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by caz View Post
                              Cheers Abby.

                              The psychology is spot on too, isn't it? Stride 'squealed a bit', as if the killer saw her as a sow, an animal to be hunted.
                              Broad Shoulders and Stride - the hunter and the hunted. Spot on analogy, you reckon?
                              Andrew's the man, that is not blamed for nothing

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                              • #30
                                Originally posted by Wickerman View Post
                                Ah, I can almost smell a new suspect entering the ring - Frederick Best was Jack the Ripper!
                                I'm sure someone has beaten a path to Frederick as Ripper before now - but I don't have a suspect theory.

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