A new front in the history wars? A new article on 'the five'

[Ms Diddles]

It genuinely interests me how the term "PC" has come to be used as a pejorative.

The hysterical responses to anything deemed un-pc are counter productive and not conducive to what could be a constructive dialogue around such issues.

See HR's response to those who disagree, for example.

On a personal level, I see the essence of political correctness as quite a positive thing.

it's just a shame that it has become so corrupted.

For myself, I am far more irked by bigotry and small mindedness than I am by the PC brigade.

Spyglass - I'm with you on the Lawrence Fox thing. He's a tool!!!

[Herlock Sholmes]

I agree to a point, However, when I recently pointed out on a certain FB group that alot of History written about Elizabeth 1 was actually written by the Victorians, I was deemed to be anti British....Traitor and trying to whitewash our history ....these were the same people that support Lawrence Fox.

Lawrence Fox is an idiot, and isnt right about anything.

I think that he’s right about political correctness. It exists, it’s an issue and society is just allowing it to fester unchallenged. People are genuinely worried about this situation so it’s only surprising that it’s taken this long for a movement to surface. It was only a matter of time. Of course, any movement can attract a ‘fringe.’

[spyglass]

It’s been suggested that we should just give up and ignore what’s happening. This is probably good advice because the trend is set. The impetus is with the prophets of Political Correctness. I genuinely hate to imagine what society will be like in 50 years time. Massive changes are easy to oppose but it’s the insidious, incremental ones that are the hardest to overcome. We just surrender a bit here and there. Then a bit more..... The internet makes this mission easy and the tactics are obvious. They are the ones used by Rubenhold and her supporters. Decide on the agenda. Isolate those that disagree. Insult them, demonise them and give them a name (ending in ..ist or phobe) then people (who are far more worried about being called names than giving an honest opinion) start to disassociate themselves. Then they can distort what they like and it’s game over and on to the next.

Mentioning Orwell is a cliche of course but it’s valid IMO. I’m glad that I won’t be around when opinions are prescribed. When history books are redacted or revised by dangerous idiots with agendas. Lawrence Fox is right. I wish him luck because he’s going to need it.

I agree to a point, However, when I recently pointed out on a certain FB group that alot of History written about Elizabeth 1 was actually written by the Victorians, I was deemed to be anti British....Traitor and trying to whitewash our history ....these were the same people that support Lawrence Fox.

Lawrence Fox is an idiot, and isnt right about anything.

[erobitha]

And yet on this very thread, we have someone writing that the Ripper "got lucky" when he picked up Mary Kelly.

Thus stressing the victim's supposed carnality. One has seen this comment made on these message boards many times over the years, always by a male poster. "The Ripper hit the jackpot" when he found Mary Kelly.

Can't you see why it might cause a feminist, or really any thinking person, to squirm?

Not only is it insensitive, I think it is very likely to be psychologically wrong.

But lust is his motive, wise men keep telling me.

You really are interesting RJ. I find you genuinely fascinating.

If you knew anything about psychology of serial killers you will know exactly what I meant when I said ‘got lucky’. I have no gratification or glorification for what he did - the man was clearly a disturbed individual. As others have correctly considered, it was in reference to the fact the mutilation was his desire. To get access to Mary Kelly in absolute privacy to him was lucky.

If you believe anyone on here is somehow getting kicks from these brutal murders of innocent women, then perhaps the reality of the real world, and the real world in 1888, has become all too much for you.

Poor form RJ.

[erobitha]

Surely the ‘got lucky’ comment refers to Kelly taking the Ripper back to her room, providing him with the opportunity to spend more time on her mutilation.

You’ll excuse me if I don’t take your comment that no woman has ever made a ‘Ripper hit the jackpot’ type comment seriously. I’m willing to bet you have only read a fraction of the posts made by women. Which sadly puts you on a par with HR and her acolytes.

Bingo

[Ms Diddles]

hi rj
i think the got lucky refers to mary kelly having her own room. however, if anyone meant it as in because she was attractive, then i totally agree with you... it is squirm (or cringe) worthy.

I've always interpreted it this way too, Abby/ Mr Barnett.

I'm a feminist, and this never got my misogyny radar pinging!!

[Abby Normal]

It’s been suggested that we should just give up and ignore what’s happening. This is probably good advice because the trend is set. The impetus is with the prophets of Political Correctness. I genuinely hate to imagine what society will be like in 50 years time. Massive changes are easy to oppose but it’s the insidious, incremental ones that are the hardest to overcome. We just surrender a bit here and there. Then a bit more..... The internet makes this mission easy and the tactics are obvious. They are the ones used by Rubenhold and her supporters. Decide on the agenda. Isolate those that disagree. Insult them, demonise them and give them a name (ending in ..ist or phobe) then people (who are far more worried about being called names than giving an honest opinion) start to disassociate themselves. Then they can distort what they like and it’s game over and on to the next.

Mentioning Orwell is a cliche of course but it’s valid IMO. I’m glad that I won’t be around when opinions are prescribed. When history books are redacted or revised by dangerous idiots with agendas. Lawrence Fox is right. I wish him luck because he’s going to need it.

dam right herlock. get on the pc wagon or youll be demonized. called a racist or a bigot and bullied. its a pc witch hunt and it is a form of fascism. hr is doing it now with qanon crap. it wouldnt be so bad but the ones who are the worst at it dont really give a **** about issues. its an us vs them mentality...win one for your side at all cost.
its the problem with the two party system, which imho is the bane of politics today. us vs them nothing really about issues. dr seuss summed it up perfectly in his book Sneetches. uh oh i referenced dr seuss. im in trouble now.

[Abby Normal]

And yet on this very thread, we have someone writing that the Ripper "got lucky" when he picked up Mary Kelly.

Thus stressing the victim's supposed carnality. One has seen this comment made on these message boards many times over the years, always by a male poster. "The Ripper hit the jackpot" when he found Mary Kelly.

Can't you see why it might cause a feminist, or really any thinking person, to squirm?

Not only is it insensitive, I think it is very likely to be psychologically wrong.

But lust is his motive, wise men keep telling me.

hi rj
i think the got lucky refers to mary kelly having her own room. however, if anyone meant it as in because she was attractive, then i totally agree with you... it is squirm (or cringe) worthy.

[Herlock Sholmes]

It’s been suggested that we should just give up and ignore what’s happening. This is probably good advice because the trend is set. The impetus is with the prophets of Political Correctness. I genuinely hate to imagine what society will be like in 50 years time. Massive changes are easy to oppose but it’s the insidious, incremental ones that are the hardest to overcome. We just surrender a bit here and there. Then a bit more..... The internet makes this mission easy and the tactics are obvious. They are the ones used by Rubenhold and her supporters. Decide on the agenda. Isolate those that disagree. Insult them, demonise them and give them a name (ending in ..ist or phobe) then people (who are far more worried about being called names than giving an honest opinion) start to disassociate themselves. Then they can distort what they like and it’s game over and on to the next.

Mentioning Orwell is a cliche of course but it’s valid IMO. I’m glad that I won’t be around when opinions are prescribed. When history books are redacted or revised by dangerous idiots with agendas. Lawrence Fox is right. I wish him luck because he’s going to need it.

[MrBarnett]

And yet on this very thread, we have someone writing that the Ripper "got lucky" when he picked up Mary Kelly.

Thus stressing the victim's supposed carnality. One has seen this comment made on these message boards many times over the years, always by a male poster. "The Ripper hit the jackpot" when he found Mary Kelly.

Can't you see why it might cause a feminist, or really any thinking person, to squirm?

Not only is it insensitive, I think it is very likely to be psychologically wrong.

But lust is his motive, wise men keep telling me.

Surely the ‘got lucky’ comment refers to Kelly taking the Ripper back to her room, providing him with the opportunity to spend more time on her mutilation.

You’ll excuse me if I don’t take your comment that no woman has ever made a ‘Ripper hit the jackpot’ type comment seriously. I’m willing to bet you have only read a fraction of the posts made by women. Which sadly puts you on a par with HR and her acolytes.

[rjpalmer]

The likes of ‘Dr’ Bleakley obviously do.

And yet on this very thread, we have someone writing that the Ripper "got lucky" when he picked up Mary Kelly.

Thus stressing the victim's supposed carnality. One has seen this comment made on these message boards many times over the years, always by a male poster. "The Ripper hit the jackpot" when he found Mary Kelly.

Can't you see why it might cause a feminist, or really any thinking person, to squirm?

Not only is it insensitive, I think it is very likely to be psychologically wrong.

But lust is his motive, wise men keep telling me.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

Impartial peer review my arse.

I thought we were a Qanon style denialism? I thought that was the whole point of Ripperology? That's why I got into it in the first place. Bollocks. It's off to old man Menges office for me again. Jesus, it was easier when the Freemasons were in charge, you knew where you stood.

[Losmandris]

They really do live in their own world!

[MrBarnett]

Does anyone on here buy into that trope? Really?

The likes of ‘Dr’ Bleakley obviously do.

[Losmandris]

Does anyone on here buy into that trope? Really?