A Whip and a Prod

[Joshua Rogan]

I read that and just posted it, but the point was that where would this paper in Maryland get the idea she had been hit with "powerful blows" leaving "jagged wounds"? It doesn't seem to be in the details by Phillips, but this mud "matting" does. Is it possible that there were wounds beneath the mud and or mud/blood?

Maybe she was bludgeoned with some grapes?

[Michael W Richards]

The Daily Telegraph's version of the Inquest ........

Dr Phillips ...... Mud on face and left side of the head. Matted on the hair and left side.

I read that and just posted it, but the point was that where would this paper in Maryland get the idea she had been hit with "powerful blows" leaving "jagged wounds"? It doesn't seem to be in the details by Phillips, but this mud "matting" does. Is it possible that there were wounds beneath the mud and or mud/blood?

[DJA]

The Daily Telegraph's version of the Inquest ........

Dr Phillips ...... Mud on face and left side of the head. Matted on the hair and left side.

[Michael W Richards]

Just reading through some press, and in the Frederick News from Maryland in the States I read this...Oct 2nd...Has anyone else read this before...."The throat of the victim had been cut from ear to ear with one clean stroke, and instead of disembowelling her the murderer had finished his bloody work by giving her several powerful blows upon the head with a blunt instrument, which left its marks in deep, jagged gashes."

Now Phillips only said this about her head... "There was mud on the left side of the face and it was matted in the head. ' Was that actually mud matted in her head, which I presume he meant "hair". Or mud/blood?

[Michael W Richards]

Just to address a couple of points...

Michael,you will have to help me understand the actual strategy you think was concocted after the body was found (or I will have to read more of your older posts). Why would lying about times be a useful means of avoiding suspicion?[/B]

I believe that its entirely possible that Louis came to the gates after 12:35 and before 12:45 and found that a woman was struggling with someone or that someone just had their throat slit by the gates. He goes into damage control mode, summons his closest staff associates to the passageway, and uses the apprentice Issac K to be the first person sent for help. While the junior member does that, Louis, Eagle, Lave and whomever has status at the club discuss how this is to be presented to the authorities, and its decided that no-one saw anything, Louis didn't get there until just before he and Eagle go for help after 1am, and that no-one was in that passageway from 12:30 until after 1am...other than Liz and her killer of course. That presupposes that maybe 10 minutes go by while they organize a response. I think that extra time was because they knew how the neighbors and the police viewed the people who attended that club, and that negative perception might well work against them if the truth is unclear about whether an onsite Immigrant Jew killed her. That's where Israel, a friend of Wess's, comes in. Outsider..off site, anti-Semitic assailant.

The Eddowes murder was an absolute godsend for the club.
It is precisely because of this, that suspicion should fall (or remain) on the club and it's members.

I don't agree with that interpretation in the last line, but as a coincidental element, it surely wasn't planned to be like that. Although the GSG might be the blame that is missing.

I think when Eddowes is found Liz suddenly becomes the interrupted Ripper murder, when in fact the evidence suggests that Pollys actually was. But that second murder, (of three throat slittings that night in the area), suggests that the killer wasn't someone from the club, because when the police got there they locked down the site. No one left until interviewed. So...no club member then went off to kill Kate.

What is possible though, going down that road, is that a club member did kill Liz and was hustled off the premises and shooed away before the cops get there. He then could go anywhere else and kill another person if he wanted to.