Did American Astronauts land on the moon 1969?

[FISHY1118]

Well done you've just quoted the Warren Commission report, AND YOU ATE IT ALL UP.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Only people who cant see its simplicity think its extraordinary, nothing dishonest about that.

There no simplicity involved Fishy. That why their conspiracies.

Yet there is dishonesty when we avoid answering questions after making claims. If we make a claim we should all have the integrity to back it up rather than simply changing the subject and hoping that others will forget. I never avoid answering a question. I might tell you that I don’t know the answer or I might give you an answer with a low level of certainty or I might give you an answer that you disagree with. But what I won’t do is ignore the question or make things up.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Oswald and Gargarin.... my my thats some rock you've been living under .

No one disputes that Gargarin was the first man in space.

And as for Oswald. When I see bullets and shell casings matching that gun to the exclusion of all other guns. And that the gun and the revolver were bought by Alex Hidell, a person that no one has ever found except that Oswald had a library card in that name. When I see that the gun had Oswald’s prints on it and that he was actually in possession of the gun that killed Tippit he was arrested. And that people ID’d him as the man that shot Tippit. That he avoided catching the bus from the Book Depository that would have taken him straight to his boarding house in favour of a bus that dropped him a considerable distance away and that he jumped off that bus into a taxi and got it to drop him a distance away from his door. And what did the innocent Oswald pick up at his boarding house? Oh yeah...a gun.The fact that he got the job at the Book Depository way before anyone knew that the President would pass that way. The ludicrous curtain rods story when he was obviously carrying a rifle. The fact that no evidence of a gunman on the grassy knoll was ever found. No footprints, shell casings...nothing. Then you have the mistaken a lying witnesses like the guy who said that he hit the deck then had his camera film taken by a secret service man. Only problem was that at the exact time this was happening a woman took a photo from the other side of the road and oops he wasn’t there. Shots reproduced, trajectories lined up. No missing bullet as there’d have to have been if the second bullet had missed Connolly.

And after 56 years years not one remotely creditable person has broken ranks and shown this conspiracy to have been real. A conspiracy so wide reaching I can’t imagine how many must have been involved.

So yes, I’d say the overwhelming weight of likelihood is that Oswald killed Kennedy alone. A disgruntled little nobody. It happens.

[FISHY1118]

No it’s only even possibly true if there’s good evidence. As Carl Sagan said - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Only people who cant see its simplicity think its extraordinary, nothing dishonest about that.

[Herlock Sholmes]

So its only a conspiracy theory when it suits YOU . How very selective of you .

We should also guard ourselves against people who clearly refuse to except all possibilities where the evidence shows it possible to do so .... even knights .

No it’s only even possibly true if there’s good evidence. As Carl Sagan said - extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

We should guard against dishonesty and name it whenever we see it.



“In a world where anything can be true, logic and calm reason are made redundant.”

> Herlock Sholmes, Casebook.org, 2019 <

[FISHY1118]

He was.

Oswald and Gargarin.... my my thats some rock you've been living under .

[Herlock Sholmes]

I do if they back it up with evidence.

Martyn

The evidence that they landed on the moon is overwhelming.

[Herlock Sholmes]

Much like the Russians when they told the world that Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space .

He was.

[FISHY1118]

Believing everything what you are told is in MSM and not questioning any of it has tragic, real life consequencs. So please don't do it.

[mpriestnall]

yeah, it’s not as if there are literally hundreds of kilos of rocks brought back from the moon, right??? Or photos and film of it, or interviews with everyone involved and entire museums and thousands of books and articles detailing what happened. Oh wait, there are.

For an encore, why not try denying the Holocaust? I mean, just because the Allies said it happened and a few people went missing isn’t good enough, is it?

Meanwhile, conspiracy theories actually cost people their lives. While it might seem like harmless internet fun serving mainly to position you as smarter and more insightful than the rest of us for seeing through the scam perpetrated on the world, buying into and spreading conspiracy theories have tragic, real life consequences.

so please don’t do it.

Believing everything what you are told is in MSM and not questioning any of it has tragic, real life consequencs. So please don't do it.

The expectation I have for this thread is to have a mature, balanced discussion of the facts and evidence. If you have a problem with that,
that's up to you.

Martyn

[Kattrup]

Finding facts to debunk the moon landings is one approach to get at the truth. But looking at the other way, what hard facts/evidence is there to support
the moon landings actually occurred. Believing the Americans landed on the moon just because they said they did and "here's the video to prove it" isn't good enough IMO.

Martyn

yeah, it’s not as if there are literally hundreds of kilos of rocks brought back from the moon, right??? Or photos and film of it, or interviews with everyone involved and entire museums and thousands of books and articles detailing what happened. Oh wait, there are.

For an encore, why not try denying the Holocaust? I mean, just because the Allies said it happened and a few people went missing isn’t good enough, is it?

Meanwhile, conspiracy theories actually cost people their lives. While it might seem like harmless internet fun serving mainly to position you as smarter and more insightful than the rest of us for seeing through the scam perpetrated on the world, buying into and spreading conspiracy theories have tragic, real life consequences.

so please don’t do it.

[Joshua Rogan]

Believing the Americans landed on the moon just because they said they did and "here's the video to prove it" isn't good enough IMO.

Exactly what evidence of events that happened 238,000 miles away would satisfy you?

[FISHY1118]

Our beliefs should be fact based as far as it's possible to find the facts. It's on my to-do list to research the man landings (watch some videos!) and enumerate the counter
points against the kind of points made in the url posted by Sam in his post #6.

Finding facts to debunk the moon landings is one approach to get at the truth. But looking at the other way, what hard facts/evidence is there to support
the moon landings actually occurred. Believing the Americans landed on the moon just because they said they did and "here's the video to prove it" isn't good enough IMO.

Much like the Russians when they told the world that Yuri Gagarin was the first man in space .

[FISHY1118]

I’m not saying that conspiracies and cover-up’s haven’t occurred in the past and won’t occur again in the future

So its only a conspiracy theory when it suits YOU . How very selective of you .

We should also guard ourselves against people who clearly refuse to except all possibilities where the evidence shows it possible to do so .... even knights .

[mpriestnall]

The problem is that most of the time a conspiracy theorists evidence of conspiracy is an error, or a different wording or a coincidence. The world of humans is such fertile ground for conspiracies. I’ve often said that you could take any subject or any event and if you spent enough time searching you would find the raw materials to come up with some form of conspiracy. Pass it on to someone else and they will find more and probably link it to some other theory if they can. When you add into the mix a tendency toward obsession and a pinch of paranoia then you’re on your way. I’m not saying that conspiracies and cover-up’s haven’t occurred in the past and won’t occur again in the future but I just think that most extreme caution should be employed before getting carried away. And, as in the Knight theory, we should accept hard evidence and guard against defending a thoroughly debunked theory no matter what.

Our beliefs should be fact based as far as it's possible to find the facts. It's on my to-do list to research the man landings (watch some videos!) and enumerate the counter
points against the kind of points made in the url posted by Sam in his post #6.

Finding facts to debunk the moon landings is one approach to get at the truth. But looking at the other way, what hard facts/evidence is there to support
the moon landings actually occurred. Believing the Americans landed on the moon just because they said they did and "here's the video to prove it" isn't good enough IMO.

Martyn