Who is this "notorious woman"?

[Debra A]

Yeah, I do think it is definitely a drawing from a photograph of Dr. Barnardo. With all the great researcher on here I'm hoping someone can verify if this man could at all be possibly the one this Bell Freeman felt so strongly about him being JTR.

I don't know the story of Bella, is it out there? I know the few snipets put on here that she ran a brothel. What was the incident that led her to believe the drawing (claimed to be a photograph, strangely enough) of the man was JTR. Something obviously convinced her strongly.

Who was the girl associated with the story? Was she accosted and last seen with Dr. Barnardo? I mean, he could've just been a client of her girls, but then again, could this man really have been Jack the Ripper?

What we know of the story of Bella is in the few posts on here and researched originally back in 2007.
Thanks to Chris Phillips who just sent me the archived 2007 original thread started by SPE, the summary I posted a couple a days ago (post #6) is
about right. Roger Palmer originally mentioned the Washington Post article shown at the beginning of this thread and Stewart Evans agreed that the comments made by Chicago May were probably about the subject of the newspaper article, Bella Freeman.
Maybe the family member I've contacted will get in touch one day and perhaps shed some light.

[Beowulf]

Hi Beowulf.
Well spotted!
Yes, I think you are absolutely right and the newspaper has sketched a picture of Dr.Barnado and captioned it as a latest picture of the Ripper to accompany the 'notorious woman' story.
The big question is, why?!

Chicago May's claims about Bella Freeman using her fortune to track JTR doesn't mention Bella taking a picture of him at all. These are two separate stories.

Yeah, I do think it is definitely a drawing from a photograph of Dr. Barnardo. With all the great researcher on here I'm hoping someone can verify if this man could at all be possibly the one this Bell Freeman felt so strongly about him being JTR.

I don't know the story of Bella, is it out there? I know the few snipets put on here that she ran a brothel. What was the incident that led her to believe the drawing (claimed to be a photograph, strangely enough) of the man was JTR. Something obviously convinced her strongly.

Who was the girl associated with the story? Was she accosted and last seen with Dr. Barnardo? I mean, he could've just been a client of her girls, but then again, could this man really have been Jack the Ripper?

[Debra A]

Hello Debs. Thanks. Interesting that they should be so open about the business.

Good luck on the follow up.

Cheers.
LC

Hi Lynn.
I don't know what, if anything, they know of Bella yet. I merely traced later descendants and then contacted one of them by email without mentioning anything. It may be just a case of me helping add to their family tree , as I did with the Alice Carroll family member.

[Debra A]

If you'll notice, that looks to be the same suit, piping on the outside of the lapel.

Hi Beowulf.
Well spotted!
Yes, I think you are absolutely right and the newspaper has sketched a picture of Dr.Barnado and captioned it as a latest picture of the Ripper to accompany the 'notorious woman' story.
The big question is, why?!

Chicago May's claims about Bella Freeman using her fortune to track JTR doesn't mention Bella taking a picture of him at all. These are two separate stories.

[Beowulf]

If you'll notice, that looks to be the same suit, piping on the outside of the lapel.

[Beowulf]

My mother came over today, asked me to look up this man, she saw a movie (Lord Jeff) with Freddie Bartholomew. In it Lord Jeff had gone to Dr. Barnardo's maritine school. I looked him up for her, he happens to look like this drawing.

Was in London at the time, would be about the right age. I know he might not be JTR but here is his photo, so you can see how much he does resemble the drawing.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_John_Barnardo

My mother feels a motive might be anger over prostitutes having illegit children and not caring for them. He ran a home for orphans and neglected children. Just a thought. Resemblance is there, at any rate.

[lynn cates]

good luck

Hello Debs. Thanks. Interesting that they should be so open about the business.

Good luck on the follow up.

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

aqui

Hello Barbara. Thanks. Go here:

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=6181

He is an interesting character.

Cheers.
LC

[Debra A]

Hello Debs. Nice work. Ironic about Mrs Chapman. And to round things out, she is just above a Littlechild. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

Thanks, Lynn.
Bella Poolman was inolved with Harriett Littlechild in the actual running of the 'Bawdy house' mentioned and they were up on charges together.

Below is the Chapman snippet I originally posted that was lost, courtsey of Rob Clack who takes slightly better care of his files than me.
I believe Mrs. Chapman was probably Kate Chapman, a woman of a similar age to Bella.

I have recently attempted to contact a member of the Poolman family but have not had a reply as yet.



I wonder if someone else would like to locate Thomas and Ann Morris (relatives of Martha Tabram and Ann was witness ather inquest) in the 1881 census. I would be interested in their results.

[Beowulf]

Hello Barbara. He seems to have had controlling interest at the CNA. He was a veteran womaniser.

Have you checked my thread on him?

Cheers.
LC

no, what thread? Would like to.

A womanizer?... must've gone after the ones with poor eyesight.

[lynn cates]

C N A

Hello Barbara. He seems to have had controlling interest at the CNA. He was a veteran womaniser.

Have you checked my thread on him?

Cheers.
LC

[Beowulf]

http://www.picturehistory.com/product/id/26241

William H. Hurlbert

Newspaper editor.

Just wanted to put the picture here for comparison. How is he connected to Jack the Ripper?

[Rubyretro]

The 'photograph': Christopher Biggins sporting John McCririck's sideburns.

Regards, Bridewell.

Get rid of the side burns, give him a mop top, and I say John Lennon.

[Bridewell]

I understand why people are only reading and not commenting on this story...It sounds too crazy! That, and the photo looks nothing like what we...(or most likely anyone from 1888)... think the Ripper would look like.

That being said, I would appreciate some comments on either the notorious woman or the picture of "Jack". I've never heard of the woman nor have I heard of a photo of "Jack", nor have I seen this drawing of "Jack".

Anyone out there have an opinion or comment? Hello? Anyone?

DRoy

The 'photograph': Christopher Biggins sporting John McCririck's sideburns.

Regards, Bridewell.

[lynn cates]

irony

Hello Debs. Nice work. Ironic about Mrs Chapman. And to round things out, she is just above a Littlechild. (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC