What are they (still) hiding

[Chris]

As it currently stands all I know is that some files from that period of time are still retained what they relate to I do not know the full answer to that.

Are these the MEPO 38 files listed on the National Archives catalogue with covering dates 1880-1997, which we've discussed before?

[Trevor Marriott]

The answer is simple if the current case is won and the registers and ledgers are fully examined we will know excatly what files are of interest with specific reference numbers etc. That will make a stronger case for seeking their disclosure should they still exist

As it currently stands all I know is that some files from that period of time are still retained what they relate to I do not know the full answer to that.

There are a number of legal loopholes I am currently exploring.

I can understand peoples frustrations and there is no one more frustrated than me. You and everyone else has to appreciate this has taken me 3 years to get to where we are now.

So there will be no quick and easy resoloution of this new matter. If it goes the full distance it could take up to another 6 months.

[Chris]

This new case is still in the early stages of going through the system and I dont want to publicly comment on it at this stage, save to say that the issues from all parties will be different to the current case.

In that case I don't see why it should depend on the outcome of the current appeal.

[Trevor Marriott]

In the case of the current appeal the police raised specific objections to the release. i,e, informants and connected matters. These issues I felt i were able to negate by reason of the evidence I amassed and produced before the tribunal.

This new case is still in the early stages of going through the system and I dont want to publicly comment on it at this stage, save to say that the issues from all parties will be different to the current case.

[Chris]

If the current case against the police fails then I would imagine it will be almost impossible to succeed with this appeal to get access to these specific files.

I don't see why that should be the case, if they are relying on the argument that it's impossible to tell which names are those of informants.

From the photos we have it's clear that argument is difficult to sustain even in relation to the Chief Constable's Register. Surely in the files themselves the names will appear in context and the argument will be even more unsustainable.

[Trevor Marriott]

Hi Trevor

So we have registers and ledgers with reference numbers?

(i assume some basic enteries? names?)

Some of which pertain to files still in existance...but not seen before?

I guess my thoughts are, do we have original files? or referneces to original files......

eg we have the Swanson home office report...but not Abberlines original statement

Do we have original info and files?

Pirate

The truth is at this time I cannot say exactly what they still have until such time as I get to look at them.

I think there is one which says "Kosminski is innoncent" (just joking or am i?)

There may be something or nothing on the Whitechapel murders at the end of the day but time will tell. The fact is that they did retain a considerable amount of files for that period in time. Files which they have led us to beleive were all destroyed.

If the current case against the police fails then I would imagine it will be almost impossible to succeed with this appeal to get access to these specific files.

[mariab]

Hello Trevor. Is there any hint about the private investigation agency involved and for whom they were working?
cheers.
LC

Yes there is

Mr. Marriott, does the agency's name start with a “P“ or with a “G“?
(I bet he'll want to answer this.)

[Jeff Leahy]

The registers and the ledgers which are the subject of the current FOI case contain reference numbers and box file numbers relating to approx 30.000 Special Branch files which were all beleived to have been destroyed.

However I no that this is not the case and some files were retained.It is access to those surviving files which I am currently pursuing and may lead to a second tribunal hearing in the coming months.

Hi Trevor

So we have registers and ledgers with reference numbers?

(i assume some basic enteries? names?)

Some of which pertain to files still in existance...but not seen before?

I guess my thoughts are, do we have original files? or referneces to original files......

eg we have the Swanson home office report...but not Abberlines original statement

Do we have original info and files?

Pirate

[lynn cates]

dog's life

Hello Trevor. If I sit up and wag my tail, do I get a crumb? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[Trevor Marriott]

Hello Trevor. Is there any hint about the private investigation agency involved and for whom they were working?

cheers.
LC

Yes there is

[lynn cates]

run for it

Hello Rob. Did you get a quivery feeling and a secret desire to barge in, grab 'em and run? (heh-heh)

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

Pia

Hello Trevor. Is there any hint about the private investigation agency involved and for whom they were working?

cheers.
LC

[Rob Clack]

What's so hard about looking at the Special Branch files....



Rob

[Trevor Marriott]

They now go under the title SO 15 Counter terrorism

[Errata]

I could probably google this, but since I'm here, and an American with little knowledge of British legal institutions...

Does Special Branch still exist? Like, as a functioning law enforcement/intelligence agency?