The number of coincidences

[richardnunweek]

Hi,
A very intellectural explanation for all numerology, I have never gone into explanations, my entire 'Thirty nine theory', infact any theory based on juggling numbers around, can only be looked upon as intresting, and no more.
However recent killers like 'Zodiac' etc, have been numbers orientated, so it is possible that the number 39 may have had some significance to the killer, only if one takes the dates.
31st of the 8 month
30th of the 9th month
39 full days elapsed between eddowes-kelly[ counting the 1st october, and including the 8th Nov]
And to top it all house 26, room 13.
The latter, if part of a sequence would point to a killer that had intimate knowledge of Millers court.
Again ,all good fun.. and whoknows.
Regards Richard.

[MrTwibbs]

Bob Maybe you are right in some cases
But saying tens of thousands of people leave Whitechapel a month after the last murder and tens of thousands commit suicide a month after the MJK murder in whitechapel, is quite a sweeping statement to make isn't it? We are of course concerned with Whitechapel not the whole of London.
That would mean that the number of people either vacating Whitechapel a month after the last murder was 20,000 to 99,999
Wasn't that over the population of Whitechapel as it was about 8000 to 10000?

[Bob Hinton]

Very interesting,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

Fascinating links.

[JSchmidt]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Texas_sharpshooter_fallacy
and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clustering_illusion

[richardnunweek]

Hello Debra,
Please dont get the wrong impression, I do indeed find the information about life, and rules at the home fascinating.
I also accept, that as you pointed out the number 41 was commonly used by residents.
My line being, there is a picture of the Victoria home on casebook which clearly depicts the entrance of the two buildings property as 39, and it may be simply the case that the infirmary residents had their doss at number 41.
I find it strange that the lowest number of the two buidings is not in evidence, when clearly it is depicted as the main access to the dwellings.
Anyway Debra, it is only a number....
Regards Richard.

[Debra A]

Bob,
Hopefully, after using a certain amount of logic, we can kick that article to the kerb, as you know as well as me, using pure geographic knowledge , that article has no need to be futher discussed.
Its just not feasible... however I stick to my original point that the main entrance to The Victoria home was number 39, even if number 41 was part of the establishment.
Regards Richard.

Hi Richard,
I posted the article because it was a useful description of the way the Victoria Home was run, I didn't give the access onto Dorset Street a second thought to be honest as I presumed it was a mistake (Mrs Garnett was probably geographically challenged, like me!) but I don't understand what you want to dismiss about the article? It's clearly about the Victoria home at 39, 41 Commercial Street and is an interesting insight into the way things worked, added to what we have already. For instance, did you know previous to reading that article that a lodger could obtain a free night's lodgings if they had previously stayed for 6 nights? I certainly didn't.

If the number 39 was the main address like say,how come that in the Whitechapel Infirmary records there are loads of men who's address is listed as 41 Commercial Street (this must be the Victoria Home?) and not 39 or 39, 41? In fact I have yet to see one where they use the number 39 as opposed to 41.
You can check for yourself here thanks to Chris Scott who did a great job of transcribing all the records.
http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?p=24615

[Fisherman]

Deal, Simon!

The best,
Fisherman

[Simon Wood]

Hi Fisherman,

Kosher Kachous were David Cohen's speciality.

Just don't tell Martin Fido.

Regards,

Simon

[Fisherman]

Hi Simon!

Is the guy at the bottom - who we can only just begin to make out - given as "David Cohen - confectioner"? If so, we are REALLY speaking of coincidences on this thread.
You wouldn´t know if he sold cachous, would you ...?

The best,
Fisherman

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,



Regards,

Simon

[Bob Hinton]

Oh really...

Bob,
Hopefully, after using a certain amount of logic, we can kick that article to the kerb, as you know as well as me, using pure geographic knowledge , that article has no need to be futher discussed.
Its just not feasible... however I stick to my original point that the main entrance to The Victoria home was number 39, even if number 41 was part of the establishment.
Regards Richard.

That's a bit of a sweeping statement Richard. The writer has obviously mistaken Whites Row for Dorset Street, not a biggy. The main thing is she correctly identifies the Victoria home as being at 39-41 Commercial Street and states quite clearly it is marked 39-41. This is a fact so I don't think you can dismiss the entire article when parts of it are provably correct.

[richardnunweek]

Bob,
Hopefully, after using a certain amount of logic, we can kick that article to the kerb, as you know as well as me, using pure geographic knowledge , that article has no need to be futher discussed.
Its just not feasible... however I stick to my original point that the main entrance to The Victoria home was number 39, even if number 41 was part of the establishment.
Regards Richard.

[richardnunweek]

Hi Bob,
I have only just seen the thread mentioning that article, which I was unaware of.
I was not aware that one could gain entrance to that building from Dorset street, my bearings of whitechapel have obviously been completely wrong all these years.
So let me get this straight, it is now a fact that one could come out of millers court , cross the road , enter a door , and gain instant access to the kitchen of the Victoria home?
I am [ whats new] confused.
Regards Richard.

[richardnunweek]

Hi Bob,
'Passing through a side door entrance on Dorset street?
How on earth could one descend into the kitchen of the Victoria home from there?
Clearly someone has made a boo boo, or was she confused with Crossinghams?
Regards Richard.

[Bob Hinton]

Hi Bob,
clearly shows the 39 as the main entrance, even if the premises occupied number 41.
If someone was asked at the time, what number was the Victoria home, they would obviously state the number of the main entrance, not number 41, which was taken over to increase size.
.

Not quite. Mrs Charles Garnett who visited the home in November 1888, a short time after the murders wote an article about her time in Whitechapel and her visit to the home. She makes it quite clear the home was numbered 39-41.

Extract below.