Kaufmann

[lynn cates]

I don't give a . . .

Hello Maria. Frankly my dear . . . .

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

oops

Hello Maria. Just saw your other post and question. I bet Neil and Rob might know the answer. Perhaps we could chat them up?

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

Frankly my dear . . . .

Yes, that one got quoted a lot in the thread in question.
(I don't guess you could spare $300? I got a new green dress on, made from some velvet curtains.)

[mariab]

I bet Neil and Rob might know the answer. Perhaps we could chat them up?

Lynn, are you referring to Mrs Tyler's Scotland Yard Chief Inspector father, or to the Catherine Kelly/John Kelly entry in the Special Branch ledgers? I was talking to Rob about the latter just a few days ago. I can ask him about the former. (Tomorrow, as I'm about to go back to sleep.)

[lynn cates]

daughter

Hello Maria. I refer to the Chief Inspector's daughter. The SB ledger entry is still an enigma.

Cheers.
LC

[Roy Corduroy]

I guess it comes under the umbrella of spy activity.

Sort of a Spys R Us outlet. I still think Jack had the syph. Or at least the clap.

Roy

[lynn cates]

Pilenas

Hello Roy. Spies R Us is not far off. Notice my Palmer (Pilenas) chap above. He was from Krakow and, when the police chief was killed by socialists, he tried to move into the void (yup, Krakow was a super-friendly-to-the-Tsar-town). Later, he turns up working in London as a penetration agent for Rachkovski. Finally, he gets a spy gig in the colonies.

Once a spy, always a spy.

Now, I must go and do what old chaps do best. Good night.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

I'll ask around about Mrs. Tyler's father.
As for the SB ledgers entry, I wish we could identify more names from that entry pertaining to other cases (besides the alleged Mr Doughty), so that we could narrow it down chronologically.

To Roy Cordyroy:
The part that has gotten my interest is that Lynn established that the Okhrana used to hire local detective agencies for their anti-socialist agenda. It's been established that “private detective“ Charles Le Grand put his foot firmly into the Berner Street investigation, manipulating witnesses and evidence, plus there are people (like Tom Wescott) who are suspicious that the Lusk kidney was a hoax generated by Joseph Aarons and Le Grand (to advertize the WVC).

[Roy Corduroy]

And a good night to you, Lynn.

I recently read a book about Russia in that era. And the rumor that Father Gapon might speak at the rally (many posts ago) was because he was in Stepney at the time. Here is Dunstan House from this Flickr Site. (click)



Roy

[mariab]

The rumor that Father Gapon might speak at the rally (many posts ago) was because he was in Stepney at the time. Here is Dunstan House from this Flickr Site.

Yes, that's exactly what the French spy report said about Father Gapone.
Might I inquire what was the Dunstan House? I've only heard about the publishing house Sampston Low (close to Fleet Street).(I'm a newbie.)

[Roy Corduroy]

The part that has gotten my interest is that Lynn established that the Okhrana used to hire local detective agencies for their anti-socialist agenda. It's been established that “private detective“ Charles Le Grand put his foot firmly into the Berner Street investigation, manipulating witnesses and evidence, plus there are people (like Tom Wescott) who are suspicious that the Lusk kidney was a hoax generated by Joseph Aarons and Le Grand (to advertize the WVC).

Good evening, Maria

Yes, Russian agents had an anti-socialist agenda. The clues or signs in the Jewish East End the night of the double event certainly raised eyebrows then and still does. As to there being yet another dimension to the LeGrand involvement beyond what Tom has laid out, well, I don't know.

Roy

[mariab]

Good evening, Roy Cordyroy.
I don't know either, and I'm not for conspiracy theories, but I think it won't hurt to try to also research the Okhrana realities, as they were certainly active in London when Rachkovsky came over from Paris. There's also this claim by Le Grand that he allegedly was active as a spy in the Parnell matter. I think it has been researched, with no results so far? Debra Arif will know.

[lynn cates]

suggestion

Hello Maria.

"As for the SB ledgers entry, I wish we could identify more names from that entry pertaining to other cases (besides the alleged Mr Doughty), so that we could narrow it down chronologically."

That's an excellent idea. Debs has suggested it might involve proceedings from the Parnell inquiry.

As time permits, why not make a list of names from the ledger, and I can look into some of them--time permitting?

Cheers.
LC

[lynn cates]

attitude

Hello Roy. Thanks for the photograph.

Thanks also for your healthy attitude. You are rightly skeptical about inflated claims about Le Grand, the Okhrana, Jenkinson, et al. That's as it should be. Right now, my research is merely nascent--there is much to weigh and consider. But I find it more interesting than, say, trying to add to a rogue's gallery and pin 5 murders on the new entry (to say nothing of trying to identify his distant father and over bearing mother).

On the other hand, you do not shut off discussion but keep an open mind. And, in like manner, I try to proceed with only minimal bias--when I find a piece that fits, I snap it into place; else, I throw it back.

For example: Tom's research indicates (as Maria says) that Le Grand spent much time and effort with the evidence and witnesses vis-a-vis Berner st. Why?

The 2 most likely answers:

1) He wished to be a good PI and solve a crime.

2) He wished to obtain a certain result.

If 2, why?

The 2 most likely answers:

1) He was involved in the crime.

2) A client was involved in the crime.

Obviously, the last intrigues me most.

There are so many pieces in the puzzle; and, I am trying to get a fit. What I CANNOT do is force a fit. It must be natural and all the pieces must fit into place with a snap. Too, the emerging picture must fit into the historical record and be consonant with the social/political/economic milieu of the period.

It is VERY hard work--and expensive.

Cheers.
LC

[mariab]

As time permits, why not make a list of names from the ledger, and I can look into some of them--time permitting?

Lynn, from the SB entries I only have the one picture you yourself sent me (containing the entries Catherine Kelly and John Kelly), nothing else. Debra Arif knows everything about this, and I think that she and Rob have already checked the names listed in the entry, or intend to check them. Perhaps if you asked her, since you know her much better than I do?
I'll ask Rob Clack about Ms Tyler's father at some point tonight.
(Right now I'm in bed with a fever, and I need to re-do my entire schedule for the next 2 months.)
Just as a note, Lynn, Le Grand most definitely didn't “wish to be a good PI and solve a crime“ (yes, I detect your irony), since he planted evidence and manipulated the investigation with instrumentalized, fake witnesses. As for his father (of whom I'm not even sure if he was “absent“), it's rumored that he might have been a diplomat. Can you imagine the repercussions if this were true?