Hanbury Street Photos

[Jon Guy]

The fence - 5 ft 6-8

Annie - 5 ft

Annie`s companion - a little taller than the deceased

James Mason - 6 ft in his shoes

[DirectorDave]

......or was it Don Rumbelow?

[DirectorDave]

Hi Garry

Thanks for the pics.....I have seen the Video too and it is a wee goldmine for Ripperologists.

I need to start writing down where I hear things, but another program said the fences were only 5 feet high and the neighbor only had to have peeked over the fence and he would have seen the killer and Annie.

DaveMC I'm certain it was Martin Fido that said that......I think it was in the 1988 Documentary "Shadow of the Ripper".

[curious]

In which case, Dave, the following may be of interest:-

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Assuming the boundary fence to have been of a similar height to that which traversed the crime scene, one wonders how Cadosch failed to see the killer from the adjacent yard.

Regards.

Garry Wroe.

If there was enough light for Richardson to have trimmed his boot, how could he possibly have missed seeing Annie?

curious

[DaveMc]

The bottom rail looks close to the ground.
Lower than I would put it.

If the steps are proper, they'll be ~ 7 1/2 inches.
So you could use the door (even though canted) to measure out to the fence for a scale.

Figure James at 6 feet in shoes.

[Supe]

This seems to crop up every few months, why I'm not sure, but it does. Albert Cadosh, who was a carpenter and probably had a keen eye for estimating a length of wood, said the "palings" were 5 foot 6 inches. That he said palings is interesting as well because, although we have no way of knowing, had the fence been built properly there would have been a gap of one to two inches between the bottom of the palings and the ground to guard against wet rot. This would have pushed the effective height to around 5-8, and that would have been above the eye height of most East Enders at the time.

In any case, the fence in the video is assuredly not that which was extant in 1888.

Don.

[DaveMc]

In which case, Dave, the following may be of interest:-

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Assuming the boundary fence to have been of a similar height to that which traversed the crime scene, one wonders how Cadosch failed to see the killer from the adjacent yard.

Regards.

Garry Wroe.

It is.
I need to start writing down where I hear things, but another program said the fences were only 5 feet high and the neighbor only had to have peeked over the fence and he would have seen the killer and Annie.

However much of the fence they show is of interest.
I a 360 degree view would worth archiving.

I'm really enjoying these.

(plus, it's James Mason. Who doesn't love James Mason?)

[corey123]

Hi Gary,

Thank you for these images. I loved the video when I first watched it.

Cheers

[Garry Wroe]

In which case, Dave, the following may be of interest:-





Assuming the boundary fence to have been of a similar height to that which traversed the crime scene, one wonders how Cadosch failed to see the killer from the adjacent yard.

Regards.

Garry Wroe.

[DaveMc]

Thanks Garry. Some of the closed up spots in 1888 must of had some junk piled in them.
Watching James in the backyard is the most interesting.
He and I are the same height, so that made the scale more obvious for me.

Very cool. Thanks

[Garry Wroe]

Agreed, MR. And the yard is much smaller than it appears in the well-known black and white photographs. A great deal more secluded too.

Regards.

Garry Wroe.

[Madam Red]

I saw the clip on youtube, it was very excellent.
It's interesting to see these places fifty years after the event, before it was all redeveloped.

[Garry Wroe]

And these:-







Hope they are of interest.

Garry Wroe.

[Garry Wroe]

The following are stills taken from the DVD The London Nobody Knows, a documentary filmed in the Sixties and presented by James Mason. It is highly recommended for anyone interested in the period before mass redevelopment gave rise to the modern London landscape.









Regards.

Garry Wroe.