Who is this person?

[corey123]

Phil,

I don't know how many times I have to say it. I see NO man nor woman, besides the deceased, in that photo. I see what appears to be a smudge of what looks like a person. That is as descriptive as I can get, a person.

If you could point out some details, maybe there is something.

Yours truly

[Phil Carter]

I see the "Man" you are pointing out but cannot call it a man or a woman,

Hello Corey,

Most women do not have moustaches.

best wishes

Phil

[Phil Carter]

Hello Corey,

No problem

best wishes

Phil

[corey123]

Hello Phil,

Interesting thread. Although I do not see what you are seeing, this thread has helped me make more of the photo.

I see the "Man" you are pointing out but cannot call it a man or a women, a person or a reflection, a blemish or a scratch. The photo is truly too degraded to make anything of it.

I also can not tell if she is clothed or not.

Yours truly

[corey123]

Hi Phil,


Sorry. I got your meaning wrong. When you said it "Comes out" I thought you ment it wasn't there. My apologies.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Corey,

If you read my posting, I clearly said the man WAS visible in the negative...actually.

best wishes

Phil

Edit from previous posting.. The image when shown in negative, as shown on the "Eddowes photo" thread, comes out, just as the image of Eddowes does. That indicates a second photographic image on the plate.

[The Good Michael]

It's clearly a two-dimensional image. It's certainly not a man.

Mike

[Phil Carter]

But back to the image of this man. Who is he?...
The image of the man himself has been disguised, enough to cause doubt to any certain identification.
....I also keep in mind the games that have been played with us entering names of people into the Whitechapel murders that have nothing to do with the case from before.

Hello all,

Example of the above herewith. Strikingly familiar perhaps?

best wishes

Phil

[Maggyann]

Is it perhaps possible that the coffin was a makeshift sort of thing formed out of old bits of whatever was around and one of those items just happened to be an old painting or perhaps adveritising hoarding type thing with a picture of a Cavalier on it? I just sort of see the shape as being a type of Cavalier type man and I am sure there is the outline of a hat there. The missing eye may just have been worn off or chipped or something - or maybe I am just mad......................well it was just a thought.

If this is Eddowes though why is her nose intact?

[Phil Carter]

Adam,

In my opinion, these things are for certain...this is not...

Jesus
A reflection onto the inside of the shell
A mirrored reflection
A corpse
A trick of the light
A trick of the eyes.. the image is of a human being..it is not a bunch of shades and blobs that just happens to look like a human being.

The way the plates were used in cameras from those days, double exposure is next to impossible, I believe I am correct in saying that a new plate was entered into the camera after each shot taken.

The image when shown in negative, as shown on the "Eddowes photo" thread, comes out, just as the image of Eddowes does. That indicates a second photographic image on the plate. That means that the original plate itself has been tampered with. It isn't the only example on this photograph either. The whole photograph is riddled with tampering. According to my friend who knows a thing or two about old photos, it looks like the image has been overlaid onto the original negative. A composed photograph in other words. Someone did a very good job at the time, of fooling many. Technology today exposes little games like this. There are too many discrepancies (see Eddowes photo thread) to deny that this photograph's validity should not be seriously questioned. It's also about time some people stopped trying to play "spoiler" and put down any idea that rocks the "established" boat. It isn't a game. This subject has been riddled with dishonesty, and continual denial that "anything could be wrong" with what we have been told just enhances that image of dishonesty.

I must stress, however, that I believe the finder happened to find this plate in amongst the other Eddowes plates, and mistakenly believed it to be a genuine image of Eddowes. It would be interesting to hear the views of the finder, bearing in mind today's technology enabling us to scrutinize the photo in ways that were not possible at the time.

But back to the image of this man. Who is he? Any serious ideas anyone?
The image of the man himself has been disguised, enough to cause doubt to any certain identification.

Personally, I keep in mind that it appeared in Millen's infamous photograph album, that mysteriously and miraculously turned up in 1987, along with many other things that suddenly turned up or was sent to the Black Museum. I also keep in mind the games that have been played with us entering names of people into the Whitechapel murders that have nothing to do with the case from before.

best wishes

Phil

[DaveMc]

Gee. You don't think I posted this in the wrong thread, do you?
oy....

Thanks, Phil.

[Phil Carter]

Hello Dave,

Have a look at the Eddowes photo thread under victims.

best wishes

Phil

[DaveMc]

This was fun.
My annotations might confuse the image,
but you can darken your own until the line of the right shoulder is apparent against the pillow.
You should be able to see the other details (such as they are)

Still no man, though. Just a coffin lining.

[DaveMc]

Hi Dave,

and where is the wound on her right cheek - the sewed one, that should run from the nose to (under) the cheekbone ?

I can't see it.

Amitiés,
David

Hence the problem. It takes a touch of imagination to see what is actually there.

From that view the long cut on the face is almost horizontal to the camera.

I think you can see just a couple of the stitches right at the arch of the right cheekbone and something that looks like the cut down the cheek towards below the right ear.

But, if I did not already know where that cut was, I'd be hard pressed to suggest it.

I'm happy to have found Jesus and hard working woman thus far.

[DVV]

Hi Dave,

and where is the wound on her right cheek - the sewed one, that should run from the nose to (under) the cheekbone ?

I can't see it.

Amitiés,
David