Elizabeth Jackson, JTR victim?

[Tom_Wescott]

Messrs Pilot and James,

These 'torso' murders are long overdue for a proper, unbiased write-up. I say we haunt Debra until she gives in and gives us what we want.

Yours truly,

Tom Wescott

[corey123]

Hello Pontius,

The idea that jackson could be a ripper victim is entertaining, but there are several factors that may make this comparison difficult. I know what most all of you know about the torso murders, and Im no expert(however I believe Debra is the authority on the torso case). She might be able to help me out.

First, if there was another murder after Kelly, I would be supprised if the extent of mutilations were more severe and even shocked if they were the same. The only way I think the mutilations would be as severe as in Kellys case would be if the killer had the same circumstances on his side. It would most likely be indoors, like kelly to let him, again play the fantasy out.

I dont remember where Jacksons torso was found, but the methodology shown by the torso killer would be most likely abducting the women, then disembowling them in a isolated and secure location, then disposal of the limbs. The killer did not try at great lengths, as did Jack the Ripper, to display the body, but tried more to hide them.

I think its likely that she was a ripper victim, but in my opinion, she would have all be there, cut up, but there, all the peices, not scattered about.

I also believe that the killer(s)(torso murderer) more than likely never stopped killing, and probally killed more than those four found. Way more.

Debra,

If I made any errors, please feel free to correct them.

Yours truly

[Debra A]

I found it, here's the comparison between some of the mutilations on Mary Kelly and Elizabeth Jackson;

Mary Kelly-The skin and tissues of the abdomen from the costal arch to the pubes were removed in three large flaps. ......... the flap of skin, including the external organs of generation, and part of the right buttock. The neck was cut through the skin and other tissues right down to the vertebrae, the fifth and sixth being deeply notched


Elizabeth Jackson-The flaps of skin and subcutaneous tissue consisted of two long, irregular slips taken from the abdominal walls. The left piece included the umbilicus, the greater part of the mons veneris the left labium majus, and labium minus The right piece included the rest of the mons veneris, the right labium majus and minus[external organs of generation], and part of the skin of the right buttock.
Head and neck taken off opposite the 6th cervical vertebra.


here's the whole thread
Why so little focus

[Debra A]

Hi,
Of particular interst if you are making a case for Elizabeth Jackson as a ripper victim, is the removal of '3 flaps of skin' from the abdomen I think.
I one posted a comparison of the description of Elizabeth's 'mutilations' compared to Mary Kelly's and the similarities were quite striking. I don't know where that post is now though.

[Dave James]

Elizabeth Jackson

Hi Pontious,

Nice post.

I'm not sure about Liz as a victim, but I too was reading about her recently and wondered what do you do next after the carnage of Miller's Court, if you haven't committed suicide because your mind gave way.

Could something like this be the next escalation? Possibly.

All the best
Dave

[Pontius2000]

I just read up on this case. and wow, it strikes me as a big possibility.

the only non-C5 victim that we ever hear much about is Tabram. but the job done on Jackson definitely bears the JTR calling card.

the first thing you'll read is that it was likely an abortion gone wrong. ok, understandable. and if that were the case, the beheading and amputation of limbs for disposal would also be understandable.

but what's NOT understandable in the case of a botched abortion are the other mutilations. many of which seem to match the job that was done on Mary Kelly.

Jackson's abdomen was opened and ALL the organs were removed from it. part of the right buttock was removed (same as Kelly).

Dr Bond stated that the deed appeared to have been done by someone with the anatomical experience of a butcher, but NOT the experience of a surgeon.

the medical men also stated that while there WAS evidence that she was pregnant (and a dead baby was found in the vicinity), there was no evidence to conclude that her death was due to a botched abortion. and since she was a prostitute, the fact that she was pregnant would probably not have mattered to JTR.

it seems like a likely case to me. This was not simply the case of a woman being killed and amputated for disposal. she was indeed mutilated as bad or worse than Mary Kelly.

Seems to me, either:

1. It WAS a botched abortion and the performer of the abortion mutilated her body to make it look like a Ripper killing.

or

2. It was the Ripper. and he was aware that the East End was too hot on his trails to leave mutilated bodies out in the open, so he made attempts in this case to dispose of the body so it would not be so quickly discovered.

now, I'm not saying this IS a Ripper killing. but it definitely merits a closer look than it has received. moreso than Mackenzie and Frances Coles. and it has a bearing on the case because if it WERE the Ripper, then at least one major Ripper suspect would be exonerated.