The from hell letter

[KatBradshaw]

TBH I don't think it has to be Yank impersonating Irishman, just general impersonation of an Irish accent. I did hear someone read it as a cockney on one documentary and it almost worked.

[lynn cates]

accents

Hello Kat. But wouldn't a Brit do a better job than that? A Brit would have actually heard a real Irish accent. Brits KNOW a good deal about various accents--from Cockney to Mayfair to RP to Yorkshire.

The best.
LC

[KatBradshaw]

Well maybe but not necessarily. There are issues over spelling here as well. Take a person with poor spelling aswell and that would make a difference. As you know the accents of Great Britain are varied for such a small island!

[perrymason]

What the "Irish" spin adds to the equation is that it fits in perfectly with the young shopkeeper who a few days earlier provides a nicely dressed gent whom she thought was Irish, perhaps by his speech, with a copy of the paper that ran Lusk's incomplete mailing address so he could copy it down with his gloved hands. She made mention of his avoiding her touch.

The package was addressed the same way.

There are many factors that have nothing at all to do with the actual "meat" element that are interesting none the less....and I believe this communique is the only one that is suggestive of so many things.

Suggestive of the specific crime he mentions, suggestive of the Irish influence in the area, suggestive of anatomical knowledge and Cannibalism, suggestive of contrived language use as represented, suggestive of a killer who had no ego attachment to any press title given the killer....suggestive of a simple communication between 2 individuals, not a statement for the nation....

I heard it referred to as a communion offering to perhaps one of the only pursuers he might respect....a simple local man living as best he could in that squalor.

Since hardly one respected the Police in that area after feeling their clubs the year before in Trafalgar, and no-one respects the press.... .....it seems sort of fitting.

Lusk sticks this package in his drawer the day it arrives, and the following night tells his committee mates...he shows it to them the following morning,.....the reason Im mentioning this is because it seems to me that he is treating like it is something of his private world....he can decide to tell someone or not......when someone running a vigilance committee trying to find the very killer who it appears wrote the note might see that as a useful clue to share immediately with the police and the patrols.

Lusk acts as if its his own property. Not like its potential evidence of a murderer that might bring a bunch of pound notes to the man that helps catch him. The reward money was quite substantial after the "DE". The Corp of London share alone has the modern day equivalent of about 35,000L.....using a rough factor of 1L LVP = 70L today.

Best regards all

[perrymason]

Its important that I add, Lusk had repeatedly sought reward money before this package arrived...with no luck. He had also thought he was being followed and watched just prior.

Best regards

[Dave James]

From Hell

Hi all,
Just a thought, I've been skimming through a couple of other threads addressing this subject and realised that no one has actually mentioned the letter's address!
From Hell!
Is this used lightly as some of the bits in the letter seen to be, or is it an expression of deep felt anguish?
I vaguely remember a SK who left a message on a wall? saying somthing on the lines of catch me quickly before I do it again.
Could this be considered as a cry for help - if the letter is genuine - or is the writer just taking the P**s.
It might be worth thinking about.
All the best
Dave

[Sam Flynn]

Hello Claire. I agree that those spellings are an oddity. I believe Gareth considers them an approximation of something like "stage Irish." That is, the kind of Irish a Yank might use when aping an Irish character.

Not just a Yank, Lynn, but native British writers/music-hall artistes too. Here are some real examples of the sort of "Oirish" I see in the Lusk Letter, taken from near-contemporary (and Irish/British) writers:

"Presarve! hadn't they better cry royalty over the broad sea... Heaven's name! what have they to presarve?" (The Sportsman in Ireland, 1840)

"I presarve 'em underground, in an air of liberty which British oppression has never tainted" (The Lover's Pilgrimage, 1846)

"Do you give me the touch av your shoulther to presarve my formation... but we must presarve thim. What d'you want to do, Sorr?" (Soldiers Three, Kipling, 1890)

"God presarve us an' save us this night!" (Traits and Stories of the Irish Peasantry, 1896)

"you are presarved from his cursed arts" (The Dublin Penny Journal, 1834)

"Not where mere flesh an' blood is consarned. I'm afeard of neither man nor woman — but I wouldn't like to meet a ghost or spirit, may the Lord presarve us!" (The Dublin University Magazine, 1846)

"Saint Pathrick prasarve us!" (Our Young Folks, 1866)

[Sam Flynn]

Beyond the stage Oirish, though, there are other odd spellings (like Dave pointed out before--Kidne, knif et c) that don't have any regional oddities (obviously) attached to them...

The misspellings could easily be attributable to the stereotype of the "Thick Mick", Claire.

[lynn cates]

thanks

Hello Sam. Thanks, as always.

The best.
LC

[claire]

The misspellings could easily be attributable to the stereotype of the "Thick Mick", Claire.

That was kind of my thought, Gareth...that the misspellings are someone's attempt to disguise the letter as the work of someone else; as I said before, the interesting thing for me with that is that it would seem to imply that Lusk might have some definite ideas about the implications of that (eg. believing the writer to be Irish, semi-literate et cetera). Not necessarily, of course, but possible.

[Marlowe]

Hi,

It's TIME to add another Dimension to this letter....

It's been said that we invite the Ancients into our Soul when we drink too much! So be careful, you never know who...or what...might show up. It's obvious that "From Hell" was written "under the influence"...the question is..."under the influence" of whom, exactly?

There's no name. From what I understand, THEY don't give out their cell phone numbers that easily.

In Jack's case, he was trying to lower Lusk's frequency by frightening him. Having fear can result in the same outcome as consuming too many "spirts", I've been told. In other words, your spiritual guard becomes weakened.

Recall that in the previous communication, "STOP TIME", he mentions Lusk showing fear and wanting to give him "fits". Again, these communications are clearly linked in their symbolism and intentions.

So what have we here...a letter sent from Hell, a "divided" kidney, human sacrifice and cannibalism....all with no signature.

To use my least favorite expression...it is what it is.

Marlowe

[perrymason]

Hi,

It's TIME to add another Dimension to this letter....

It's been said that we invite the Ancients into our Soul when we drink too much! So be careful, you never know who...or what...might show up. It's obvious that "From Hell" was written "under the influence"...the question is..."under the influence" of whom, exactly?

There's no name. From what I understand, THEY don't give out their cell phone numbers that easily.

In Jack's case, he was trying to lower Lusk's frequency by frightening him. Having fear can result in the same outcome as consuming too many "spirts", I've been told. In other words, your spiritual guard becomes weakened.

Recall that in the previous communication, "STOP TIME", he mentions Lusk showing fear and wanting to give him "fits". Again, these communications are clearly linked in their symbolism and intentions.

So what have we here...a letter sent from Hell, a "divided" kidney, human sacrifice and cannibalism....all with no signature.

To use my least favorite expression...it is what it is.

Marlowe

The silence is somewhat deafening wouldnt you say Marlowe?

Seriously though, a simple letter without overt threat is likely just that,.... in fact if anything its a friendly note ...offering to share not only the "take" but the instrument used at some point as well.

What makes it a hoax or not so is peoples opinion...because no-one can prove anything about what that organ was or where it likely came from today. All we have is what medical experts thought...and clearly they vary.

None as I recall saw a pigs kidney however.

Best regards

[Marlowe]

Hey perrymason, are you sure it isn't my silence that's deafening to you? Some people just crave attention, you know...

As to your analysis that "From Hell" was really just a 'simple little friendly note offering to share' part of a kidney taken from a mutilated and butchered woman -- the other piece he kept for himself to eat -- no, I don't find that argument particularly convincing. Try to remember, please, that Lusk had just received a communication before he received this one that focused on his fear level and one in which the writer, (judging by the phrases used, presumably "Jack") expressed a desire to give him "fits".

Blood, Demons, Cannibalism and Human Sacrifice...hmm...sounds like a good idea for next year's Christmas cards.

Marlowe

[perrymason]

Hey perrymason, are you sure it isn't my silence that's deafening to you? Some people just crave attention, you know...

As to your analysis that "From Hell" was really just a 'simple little friendly note offering to share' part of a kidney taken from a mutilated and butchered woman -- the other piece he kept for himself to eat -- no, I don't find that argument particularly convincing. Try to remember, please, that Lusk had just received a communication before he received this one that focused on his fear level and one in which the writer, (judging by the phrases used, presumably "Jack") expressed a desire to give him "fits".

Blood, Demons, Cannibalism and Human Sacrifice...hmm...sounds like a good idea for next year's Christmas cards.

Marlowe

Wise guy eh..... ...perhaps then you'd point out the phrase that scares him in the From Hell text for me. And also explain how defining the text as it was written is a whimsy of a choice.

Before casting aspersions one might hold off on posting this kind of theorizing first themselves...."In Jack's case, he was trying to lower Lusk's frequency by frightening him. Having fear can result in the same outcome as consuming too many "spirts", I've been told. In other words, your spiritual guard becomes weakened."

Really? Fascinating.

That was when the posts stopped, in case you missed it.

Best regards

[Marlowe]

If the posts stopped, then why are you here?

Now please, let's not play the usual games. I intend to post more. So be a good boy and go back to the other threads with subjects you also know nothing about. As you are obviously very well aware, I avoid you. You should do the same and avoid me. Thanks

Bye