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[celticsun]

I'd add as per the type of sex: my guess would be it's have to be 99.9% the old-fashioned one leg up against the wall coitus: it's fastest, it does the trick(oh, dear) and frankly it's the least messy of sex acts on a street. Kneeling on a frequently wet and always dirty pavement? No way-plus, oral sex was I believe considered more of a "perversion" in the LVP. Not saying no one did it, but these women were part-time prostitutes at best; they wanted the quickest way of getting a few pence for a drink or a bed.

Hi JennyL,

Points to ponder: I can't say that I believe that there is really much new in the human sexuality in the past few thousand years, only differences in the way cultures deal with it. Oral sex may well have been considered a perversion in Victorian London, but that would only serve as a reason that some men would seek the services as a prostitute as that particular act would likely be unavailable at home. Please remember that these women were far past their prime (Kelly excepted) and were in desperate circumstances. Given their profession they can't have had much self respect. Their interest is strictly in the money. Any "unusual" or "perverted" requests would only be played for a larger fee. Whether JTR used oral sex as a ploy to put the victims in a more vulnerable position I don't claim to know but it does seem logical because any other position that I can think of would afford them the chance to scream and would also likely be noisy as far as a scuffle goes.

Sincerely,

Celticsun

[belinda]

Belinda, while not an expert on prostitution I do believe that then as now, payment MUST be up front. Think about it: if the punter gets serviced first what's she going to do if he walks away or tells her to sod off afterward? Call the police? She's (ahem) doubly screwed in that case. So, always get the money first would seem to be the cardinal rule of a streetwalker or any callgirl.

I think alot of prostitutes did and do get "Screwed over" when a customer dosn't pay. Lynn put it better than I did. The customer could easily have found somebody more accomodating.They had to take the risk.

[JennyL]

Would the men have paid though? I think they'd have wanted their "Pound of flesh"first being destitute as they were I don't think they'd have had much choice about payment

Belinda, while not an expert on prostitution I do believe that then as now, payment MUST be up front. Think about it: if the punter gets serviced first what's she going to do if he walks away or tells her to sod off afterward? Call the police? She's (ahem) doubly screwed in that case. So, always get the money first would seem to be the cardinal rule of a streetwalker or any callgirl.

I'd add as per the type of sex: my guess would be it's have to be 99.9% the old-fashioned one leg up against the wall coitus: it's fastest, it does the trick(oh, dear) and frankly it's the least messy of sex acts on a street. Kneeling on a frequently wet and always dirty pavement? No way-plus, oral sex was I believe considered more of a "perversion" in the LVP. Not saying no one did it, but these women were part-time prostitutes at best; they wanted the quickest way of getting a few pence for a drink or a bed.

[celticsun]

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2-What was the type of sex generally asked for? Was it oral sex? Did this put the victims on their knees so strangling or cutting the throat was easy?

Good question! I've often wondered this myself. Try picturing the logistics of killing the victim remembering that JTR had to prevent a lot of noise. If using the position where the woman is facing away from JTR, probably with her hands leaning against a wall it would be difficult at best. Face-to-face would be better assuming that JTR attacked before she got too close. Once too close he would lose all leverage/power. Oral would seem the most sure way to accomplish his ends.

[lynn cates]

demands

Hello CD. I wonder if the ladies were in a position to make demands? I suppose it was a matter of supply and demand and, unless I miss my guess, the supply outstripped the demand--especially given the large influx of "drabs" into the "work" force. (Geez, I sound like an oeconomist!)

The best.
LC

[belinda]

Would the men have paid though? I think they'd have wanted their "Pound of flesh"first being destitute as they were I don't think they'd have had much choice about payment

[c.d.]

Hi Lynn,

I think it much more likely that the women demanded the money up front especially considering their clientelle.

c.d.

[c.d.]

What a pity George III died in 1820.

Yeah, I was in 1821 and it kept me awake all night. Ba-Boom!.

c.d.

[belinda]

"Porphyry's a jolly good fellow
Porphyry's a jolly good fellow
Porphyry's a jolly good fellow,
He's full of purple pus..."

Poor old George

[Mascara & Paranoia]

1.) He very probably took his (and whatever money the victims had on them) back after killing them.
2.) God knows. Depends on what the punter would've asked for I imagine. Though I'd say vaginal (or it may have been anal in Jack's case so that he could cut their throats from behind).
3.) I doubt he was a raving lunatic or frightening-looking, otherwise he would've been pointed out regardless of him being the killer or not. He was very likely an ordinary bloke who acted like any other punter (well, until he killed them and stuff).
4.) Hard to say. Though I picture him as hiding it up his sleeve, but that's obviouly speculation.

[Robert]

Graham, according to George !V, as early as possible.

Gareth, I have this vision of the physician asking George III for a sample. Later that day at the Palace there is a wine-tasting session, with hilarious results....

[Graham]

What a pity George III died in 1820.

Why, when should he have died?

Graham

[Sam Flynn]

What a pity George III died in 1820.

"Porphyry's a jolly good fellow
Porphyry's a jolly good fellow
Porphyry's a jolly good fellow,
He's full of purple pus..."

[Robert]

What a pity George III died in 1820.

[Sam Flynn]

I suppose to be complete there may have been a possibility of hand relief? Stride had a hanky exhibiting what Phillips called "fruit stains."

We should perhaps search the Infirmary records for a man admitted suffering from purple piss!