how close was 'jack' to being caught

[lynn cates]

skilled personnel

Hello Monty. If Eddowes knew the routine, and that the 2 PC's were due at 1:40 or 1:42 and the other was due at 1:44, and given that it was 1:36 or 1:37 before they headed into Mitre Square from Church passage, she must have been awfully confident of her "skills."

On the other hand, if Jack knew the routine and yet went ahead, he must have had nerves of steel.

The best.
LC

[Monty]

My recollection is that Morris opened the door moments before Watkins called.

Either Jack was lucky or clever or, alternately, he or Eddowes was aware of routine.

Monty

[lynn cates]

work habit

Hello Monty. Indeed. I think he usually left the door open anyway, didn't he?

All of which brings up the old question, was Jack lucky or clever?

The best.
LC

[Monty]

Lynn

If Watkins was 30 seconds or so behind Jack then Morris was closer. As he opened the warehouse door moments before Watkins entered the Square.

If fact, if Jack struck at the same time on any other night of the week, he would have come across Morris quietly puffing away on his pipe.

It could have been oh so different.

Monty

[lynn cates]

Mitre Square

Hello Dixon. I definitely agree with Flynn that Jack was perhaps seconds away from capture by PC Harvey in Mitre Square. (See my post above.) Of course, I have seen Harvey's veracity questioned (the suggestion being that he didn't go all the way up Church passage, or something of that sort). Even so, PC Watkins was probably not more than 30 seconds to a minute behind Jack's escape--likely to the north.

Of course, if one accepts Liz as a Jack victim, there are theories that, had Diemschutz looked to his left instead of right (and had proper lighting), he would have seen Jack. What a fun legend!

Cheers.
LC

[Sam Flynn]

my apologies lynn i did not make myself very clear there,what i was meant to ask you(and other rippologists) was,what murder do you believe jack came closet to being caught,or put himself most at risk of being caught?

For me, it has to be 29 Hanbury Street (most risk) and Mitre Square (closest to actually being caught).

[dixon9]

my apologies lynn i did not make myself very clear there,what i was meant to ask you(and other rippologists) was,what murder do you believe jack came closet to being caught,or put himself most at risk of being caught?

Dixon9
still learning

[lynn cates]

murder

Hello Dixon. Do you refer to first murder?

The best.
LC

[dixon9]

thanks alot monty,i will start mulling it over now.

Dixon9
still learning

[Monty]

It would be hard to name a 'street' murder where the idea he was disturbed or not long finished isnt highly likely.

Just one into the mixer. Morris in Mitre Square.

Let you mull it over.

Monty


PS Anyone wishing to get a good overview of Strides murder would do well to read Toms excellent piece.

[dixon9]

thanks for that lynn,(sat up latereading through Polly's murder again)so who would be your number one?


Dixon9
still learning

[lynn cates]

Westcott dissertation

Hello Jon. Perhaps so, but I paste below a line from Tom Westcott's dissertation on Polly.

"The notion that the Ripper was interrupted in his efforts by the sound of the approaching footsteps of Charles Cross becomes almost irresistible."

The best.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Hello Lynn

Perhaps not that cold, but, as with Liz Stride, a coldness indicative of death five or ten minutes earlier.

Mercifully, death would have been instantaneous for Polly. There is no way that Cross or Paul felt her heart beat. She would have died whilst her throat was still been cut.

Dr Llewellyn inspected the body fifteen or twenty minutes after Cross and Paul, and gave up to half an hour earlier for T.O.D., and Bucks Row resident, Mrs Lilley, heard a scuffle around the half hour after three.

[lynn cates]

warm

Hello Jon. Hmmm. How does that square with this?

Cross calls to Paul. Cross believes she is dead. Her hands and face are cold but the arms above the elbow and legs are still warm. Paul believes he feels a faint heartbeat. "I think she's breathing," he says "but it is little if she is."

If she were generally cold, it is not indicated here. (From Casebook, under Polly Nichols.)

The best.
LC

[Jon Guy]

Actually, it is generally conceded that Jack was close to detection in Polly's case.
LC

Eh?!?

She was already cold when Cross and Paul investigated