Coincidences

[Sally]

I think it probable that all the murder sites are connected by Ley Lines. If only the authorities had realised that at the time.

[niko]

very important the humour, ha,ha,ha.

Given that the "arrow" is perceptual, it can surely point east or west - why not east?

Second, how accurate is the "arrow" - if you extrapolate/extend the assumed "arrow" does it actually touch the buildings you mention.

I regard the whole idea as close to imbecilic but I will humour those who propose it for the moment. I would be grateful for your thoughts on my questions.

Phil H

Hi Phil, I'm glad you have humour, there should be more around !! All I'm saying is what I see , forgive me I could not post the image of the newspaper map (this one in particular) but you can view it on a previous post of mine on this thread, to me the arrow head is pointing to the left of the map, I compared the direction of the arrow on an A to Z book of London, to my surpise it was in line with the Houses of parliment and Westminster Abby. Phil on this particular map of the murder sites, that's what I see,(I must addmit I wear glasses) Why don't you try seeing what direction you make of it comparing this map on a map of London or an A to Z of London like I did (I used a ruler) Phil don't get me wrong !! I) mentined before that I highly think this hypothesis is far from likey on being true !! who would murder this woman in a short time and in one mile just to point an arrow to a certain location, all the best, agur.

Niko.

[Phil H]

Given that the "arrow" is perceptual, it can surely point east or west - why not east?

Second, how accurate is the "arrow" - if you extrapolate/extend the assumed "arrow" does it actually touch the buildings you mention.

I regard the whole idea as close to imbecilic but I will humour those who propose it for the moment. I would be grateful for your thoughts on my questions.

Phil H

[niko]

related to the "Pattern's formed by murder location's" thread.

Hi everyone, just expressing my thought's again, forgive me if I've posted on the wrong thread. Something that has alway's puzzled me, is the way that the murder sites form a sought of patern. I would think that a serial killer's murder site would indicate kriss-cross point's over a map, and naturally not form shape's or patern's, but I supose I'll leave that to statistic's.

Unless the patern of the murder sites were made intentionally, although I think this unreal but not "impossible". I personally looking at this newspaper photo, what I see are dot's which form a "cross" or an "arrow" shape (patern), which point South-West (I think) I also notice the arrow let's say, point's straight to the houses of parliment and Westminster Abby, must be a COINCIDENCE, or a chance in a million I would say, just my opinion. All the best, Agur.

niko

Hi everyone, forgive me for my clumniness on handling the computer, I would of liked to post this thread on the " Patern's formed by murder locations" thread but I don't know how to do it

Basically what I see in the newspaper drawing of the seven undiscovered mureder sites, using my common sense, is connecting the seven location's marked on the drawing (map) they form the patern of an "arrow" and this arrow point's directly to the "Houses of parliment and Westminster Abby" in my eyes I would dare to say that this is a "fact" at least that's what my eyes see. For what reason the arrow and the direction in which it point's I honestly can not tell you !! Imagine there was a reason for the arrow pointing where it does, what would this reason be ??

Some times I get the idea that this murder's seem to be "well planed murder's" and not by a madman with a knife running around the East end and very well planed that the mistery still last's over a hundred year's, all the best, agur.

Niko.

[spyglass]

everyone had moustache's... including the women !

[Jonathan H]

The Ripper murders all took place in the 'evil quarter mile' identified by contemporaneous social reformers as the abyss within the abyss.

The American Marxist/journeyman writer, Tom Cullen, compellingly argued for the significance of this fact in 'Autumn of Terror' (1965).

[Wolf Vanderlinden]

and after the second murder a leather apron was discovered with writing above it referring to Jewes.

Really? That's a new one on me.

Wolf.

[mklhawley]

Hello Mike

Excuse me but I rather agree with Simon that too much can be made of this coincidence business. First of all, to address what you say in your post, the murders occurred in a highly Jewish immigrant area after all, and a lot of workmen wore leather aprons, with or without the possibly newspaper-generated idea that the killer wore one. It is a bit like the claim of people today who say they have found the Ripper's knife. Well, you know, London in 1888 was filled with knives.

Chris

Hi Chris (and Simon),

I actually agree with Simon, too. My take on coincidences is like cherry picking the evidence, but it is fun.

Mike

[Simon Wood]

Hi Mike,

Irony is obviously a lost cause with you.

Regards,

Simon

[mklhawley]

Hi Mike,

That Tumblety bloke was a cunning devil.

Regards,

Simon

[ChrisGeorge]

It actually looks to me like they were killed just off the two main thoroughfares (Commercial Street and Whitechapel Road) where the unfortunates did their business.

Here's another coincidence:

Leather Apron, or John Pizor, was a Polish Jew and was the big suspect in the papers in September 1888. The next victim on September 30th (Stride) was murdered in the Jewish section, and after the second murder a leather apron was discovered with writing above it referring to Jewes. It's almost as if the killer was trying to lead them away from him by implicating Pizor.

Mike

Hello Mike

Excuse me but I rather agree with Simon that too much can be made of this coincidence business. First of all, to address what you say in your post, the murders occurred in a highly Jewish immigrant area after all, and a lot of workmen wore leather aprons, with or without the possibly newspaper-generated idea that the killer wore one. It is a bit like the claim of people today who say they have found the Ripper's knife. Well, you know, London in 1888 was filled with knives.

Chris

[Simon Wood]

Hi Mike,

That Tumblety bloke was a cunning devil.

Regards,

Simon

[mklhawley]

Hi All,

Enough of this nonsense.

Can you really imagine Aaron Kosminski setting out to make the murders align with the Houses of Parliament?

Regards,

Simon

It actually looks to me like they were killed just off the two main thoroughfares (Commercial Street and Whitechapel Road) where the unfortunates did their business.

Here's another coincidence:

Leather Apron, or John Pizor, was a Polish Jew and was the big suspect in the papers in September 1888. The next victim on September 30th (Stride) was murdered in the Jewish section, and after the second murder a leather apron was discovered with writing above it referring to Jewes. It's almost as if the killer was trying to lead them away from him by implicating Pizor.

Mike

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

Enough of this nonsense.

Can you really imagine Aaron Kosminski setting out to make the murders align with the Houses of Parliament?

Regards,

Simon

[ChrisGeorge]

Hi everyone, just expressing my thought's again, forgive me if I've posted on the wrong thread. Something that has alway's puzzled me, is the way that the murder sites form a sought of patern. I would think that a serial killer's murder site would indicate kriss-cross point's over a map, and naturally not form shape's or patern's, but I supose I'll leave that to statistic's.

Unless the patern of the murder sites were made intentionally, although I think this unreal but not "impossible". I personally looking at this newspaper photo, what I see are dot's which form a "cross" or an "arrow" shape (patern), which point South-West (I think) I also notice the arrow let's say, point's straight to the houses of parliment and Westminster Abby, must be a COINCIDENCE, or a chance in a million I would say, just my opinion. All the best, Agur.

niko

Hello niko

The idea that the murder sites were aligned to point at Westminster or the Houses of Parliament has been noticed before. Andy Parlour, Sue Parlour and Kevin O'Donnell, authors of The Jack the Ripper Whitechapel Murders (St. Osyth, Essex: Ten Bells Publishing, 1997), showed on the cover of their book an arrow laid on a map of Whitechapel pointing directly at Parliament.

Chris