No Jewish victims

[spyglass]

What makes you think that people with British-sounding names were singled out?

Stride was Swedish.

I only wondered if they were singled out, or was it just coincidental that all the victims were assumed to be British to the murderer.
I know Stride was Swedish, but the Murderer wouldn't necessarily know that.
I also had questioned if prostitution was mainly carried out by poor Briish women at that time, hence the more chances of the victims being from this country.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

I posed a similar question some years ago on here.

I wondered if it was coincidental or odd that all the victims or least the C5 all had British sounding names when you consider the huge amount of immigrants with european names in the east end at the time....and were they singled out ?

What makes you think that people with British-sounding names were singled out?

Stride was Swedish.

[spyglass]

I posed a similar question some years ago on here.

I wondered if it was coincidental or odd that all the victims or least the C5 all had British sounding names when you consider the huge amount of immigrants with european names in the east end at the time....and were they singled out ?

[c.d.]

No one had ever run a sub 4 minute mile until Roger Bannister did it in 1954.

No one had ever successfully climbed Mt. Everest until Sir Edmund Hillary and Tenzing Norgay did it in 1953.

No one had ever hit 60 home runs in a single season until Babe Ruth did it in the 1927 season.

So hadn't been done previously does not necessarily mean it could not happen.

Also, could it have happened and not been recorded? No way of knowing.

c.d.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

David Berkowitz springs to mind.

I can kind of see PI1's point though, finding a Jewish killer of prostitutes is surprisingly tricky. Israel has a low record of serial killing and the most prominent one wasn't actually Jewish. Interestingly, there was a serial killer who was mentally ill and incarcerated before he could stand trial, but his victims were religiously motivated.

Tillie Klimek falls into the 'Black Widow' type of killer, the other three Dusty mentions I can't find a great deal of information on, particularly regarding if they were raised practising Judaism or were Jewish by heritage more than faith.

Something to ponder at any rate.

I was aware that Berkowitz shot his victims.

I hadn't been aware until a few minutes ago that he used a knife on his early victims.

I don't know whether he mutilated any of them.

His Wikipedia entry does not mention mutilation.

He was born Richard David Falco to an Italian non-Jewish father.


Of the four Israeli serial killers, two were definitely non-Jews and I have my doubts about a third.


Tillie Klimek was not Jewish.


I could not find an entry online for any murderer by the name of Dusty Miller.

I didn't realise it is the poster's name.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

>>THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A RECORDED CASE OF A POLISH JEWISH SERIAL MURDERER.<<

Tillie Klimek

>>THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH PERSON HAVING MURDERED PROSTITUTES IN ANY COUNTRY.<<

Joel Rifkin
Robert Shulman
Bogdan Arnold

>>THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH PERSON MUTILATING A WOMAN.<<

Joel Rifkin
Robert Shulman
Bogdan Arnold

Tillie Klimek was not Jewish.

Joel Rifkin was adopted by a Jewish couple but was born to non-Jewish parents.

There is nothing in Robert Shulman's Wikipedia entry about his being Jewish and I have not been able to find confirmation anywhere else online, but you could be right.

Bogdan Arnold was not Jewish.

[Al Bundy's Eyes]

David Berkowitz springs to mind.

I can kind of see PI1's point though, finding a Jewish killer of prostitutes is surprisingly tricky. Israel has a low record of serial killing and the most prominent one wasn't actually Jewish. Interestingly, there was a serial killer who was mentally ill and incarcerated before he could stand trial, but his victims were religiously motivated.

Tillie Klimek falls into the 'Black Widow' type of killer, the other three Dusty mentions I can't find a great deal of information on, particularly regarding if they were raised practising Judaism or were Jewish by heritage more than faith.

Something to ponder at any rate.

[drstrange169]

>>THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A RECORDED CASE OF A POLISH JEWISH SERIAL MURDERER.<<

Tillie Klimek

>>THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH PERSON HAVING MURDERED PROSTITUTES IN ANY COUNTRY.<<

Joel Rifkin
Robert Shulman
Bogdan Arnold

>>THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH PERSON MUTILATING A WOMAN.<<

Joel Rifkin
Robert Shulman
Bogdan Arnold

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

PI 1, don't expect a reply when the post that has been quoted is 14 years old and its author has been inactive for 5 years.

I didn't know that he had been inactive for five years.

I think he would have been unable to find a satisfactory response, anyway, even if he had remained active.

I didn't post my comments just for his benefit, either.

[Enigma]

PI 1, don't expect a reply when the post that has been quoted is 14 years old and its author has been inactive for 5 years.

[PRIVATE INVESTIGATOR 1]

David,

I'm talking about freelance prostitutes as well. This is one reason that I believe it was a Jew who did it. I think killing his own may have been difficult. Also, this seems to have been a late 19th century thing, this Jewish control of many areas of prostitution, all over the world. Perhaps, the killer could kill older prostitutes without fear of killing one of his own. There's someone on this site, Martin Fido, who I believe has done a lot of research into this aspect of the LVP.

Cheers,

Mike

I refer you to my very recent post on the thread entitled A photograph of Joseph Lawende in 1899.

I refer there to about 200 (when you include accomplices) serial killers in England, Germany, Russia and Poland.

Not a single one of them was Jewish or had Jewish ancestry.

Six of the English killers and eight of the German killers killed prostitutes.

None of the victims was Jewish.

Evidently, for gentile murderers to kill their own was not difficult.

I suggest that your idea that it would have been difficult for a Jewish serial killer to have killed Jewish prostitutes is invalid.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A RECORDED CASE OF A POLISH JEWISH SERIAL MURDERER.

THERE HAS NEVER BEEN A RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH SERIAL MURDERER IN ENGLAND.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH PERSON HAVING MURDERED PROSTITUTES IN ANY COUNTRY.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH PERSON MUTILATING A WOMAN.

THERE IS NO RECORDED CASE OF A JEWISH MURDERER TAKING A BODY PART FROM A VICTIM AS A TROPHY.

Where does that leave your theory?

[The Good Michael]

To tell the truth, I don't even like the word 'actress' and prefer all thespians be called actors... or bald-faced liars.

Cheers,

Mike

[Sam Flynn]

Age is not a defense, in my opinion, for an egregiously racist usage.

In Welsh, French, Italian (and possibly Latin?) there is no hint of racism as far as I can discern. Indeed, even those nationals who speak such languages as have gendered nouns refer to themselves in the same terms - a Welshman is a "Cymro", for example, whilst a Welsh woman is a "Cymraes". You have raised a valid point, however, in drawing a distinction between a noun referring to nationality as against one referring to religion - thanks for doing so, and thanks also to Kat for posting the link.

[Sam Flynn]

"in Welsh, "Iddew/Iddewes". "

So, a Welsh link to the Goulston St message?

...not to mention a cryptic reference to the victim slain on the morning of its discovery! (I refer, of course, to Eliddewes Stride.)

[Robert]

"in Welsh, "Iddew/Iddewes". "

So, a Welsh link to the Goulston St message?