Puzzled

[Uncle Jack]

Im grateful you dont espouse that Jack was also a quartet. You do seem to have already convinced yourself of the "facts".... so Im curious, what benefit is there for you in stating so here then?

We usually discuss various theories and ideas, go over researched data, pore over the literature and the press, and yet most here would not make such absolute remarks.

Best regards.

My apologies Michael. I should have stated in my post that it was my personal opinion, which is what I usually do. Personally, I think Jack did commit most of the Whitechapel murders but not all. I certainly don't think he murdered Emma Smith, in my opinion.

Again, I apologize Michael

Kind regards,

Adam

[Financeman]

Even though the murders where conducted differently doesnt mean the one killer didnt do it, thanks to mordern study of serial killers we know that certain types, sexual sadists, escalate the crime to escalate the thrill, in saying that whilst there is no evidence linking him to the other murders there is no evidence to say he didnt, only a theory. But here is something else to consider given the rapid escalation how do we know it was only one killer?
How do we know that it wasnt two working in tandem? since JTR to today we have since learnt that this can happen. Two killers at two totally different end of the sexual sadism spectrum? we dont, and we never will. A master and a apprentice if you will.

I do personally think that there was one and that due to the rapid de-escalation of the crimes in 89 tells me that he either died, incarcerated or became too ill to carry them out any longer. I need to do more specific research on the suspects but my for some reason I think the killer is outside of the suspect pool but not far.

[Mike Covell]

Mike, just a quickie and I hope the last time I'll have to say this ...Susan Ward fell on a broken bottle and cut her arm, she wasn't attacked.

But who put the bottle there?

That list is taken from the good old "JTR Encyclopedia" by Eddleston.

Jack the Ripper didn't commit all of the 11 Whitechapel murders. At the most, he probably only did about 8 of them and thats if you count Alice McKenzie and Frances Coles. He certainly didn't murder Emma Smith...

Im grateful you dont espouse that Jack was also a quartet. You do seem to have already convinced yourself of the "facts".... so Im curious, what benefit is there for you in stating so here then?

We usually discuss various theories and ideas, go over researched data, pore over the literature and the press, and yet most here would not make such absolute remarks.

Best regards.

[Uncle Jack]

Jack the Ripper didn't commit all of the 11 Whitechapel murders. At the most, he probably only did about 8 of them and thats if you count Alice McKenzie and Frances Coles. He certainly didn't murder Emma Smith...

[anna]

Yep.....it was a goodun!

..from me too!!

[Brenda]

[c.d.]

"I have seen the actual site where William Waddell was hanged on many an occasion."

Wow. Just how many times did they hang the poor guy?

c.d.

[Monty]

Debs,

Damn, you beat me to it!

Bisney? Pinchin Street Torso?

Monty

[Debra A]

Mike, just a quickie and I hope the last time I'll have to say this ...Susan Ward fell on a broken bottle and cut her arm, she wasn't attacked.

[cats meat man]

Hi Mike
I have seen the actual site where William Waddell was hanged on many an occasion.There is a house across the road from the prison where the old public hangings could be viewed from at a price.The iron balcony is still there today.Full of history,that place and I think there are three sites where hangings took place throughout the prison at various times throughout the years.
All the best
Rob

[Mike Covell]

Annie Millwood
Ada Wilson
Emma Smith
Martha Tabram
Mary Ann Nichols
Annie Chapman
Susan Ward
Liz Stride
Catherine Eddowes
The Whitehall Mystery
Mary Kelly
Annie Farmer
Rose Mylett

All of which were in London in 1888.

There was "The Gateshead Murder", which initially reported as a possible "Jack the Ripper" attack, and was a case that Inspector Roots worked upon, but the killer, William Waddle, was arrested and tried for the murder.

[miss marple]

You still have'nt run through the 11. We really want to know. Miss Marple

[Financeman]

Ah Yes it was called the English Cricket team when they play Australia! sorry had to throw that one in. I am counting the official vicitims and the ones linked to it in 1888 time period. Clearly It is a pattern of escalation, sexual sadist killers dont stop unless stopped, caputred or dead. I have read the case notes on the other deaths and whilst the escalation is dramatic, so is the tendancies of these types of killers - look at Dahmer. He was sexual sadist/ canibal and reading his story and his own words are fascinating.
In my view, JTR started off killing as part revenge/ part fantasy before discovering his sexual excitement and pleasure from the crimes. His thirst for the sexual release grew so strong than when once denied (the double whammy) he just had to kill that day after being interuppted. He found he could control the urges and and hence the escalation in frequency and ferocity. I think for us to mix and match and play the suspect matching game, we need firstly an indepth profile of the perp, 2 we need to study those serials killers who have matched or come close to thier profile to truly understand their beginnings and then we may have a chance of unmasking JTR - but with out some kind of DNA evidence we never will. But I will say this on Dahmer, he got caught because he escalated his crimes to match the sexual desire and someone got away. Had of JD not been caught god knows how many he would have killed?

Cheers

[Mike Covell]

What murders are you counting that you get 11 in 1888?

Is there a football team that got killed that we have yet to hear about?