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    Aged 28-43
    Below average height
    Stout, powerfully built
    Light brown/ ginger hair
    mustache
    Local, lived in immediate area
    Walked when committing murders, possible use of cart
    English
    Gentile
    Steady work, probably involving manuel labor
    Lower class but not poor
    Had own place, though modest
    Frequented pubs and drinker
    Single or dominated wife
    Knew prostitues and socialized with
    Had problems having sex
    Former military and or navy/ sailor
    Very familiar with knife
    Accustomed to carrying knife before murder spree
    Appears very cocky to people
    Thinks he is smarter than anyone else
    Self assured
    Cunning
    Experience cutting up animals
    Probable anatomical knowledge, possible medical/surgical experience
    NO or very light criminal record
    No overt mental illness
    Read newspapers
    Main motivation-Fascinated with the female body and what his knife could do to it
    Possible masterbation and or cannibalism with trophies/ parts
    Secondary motivation-Enjoyed shocking / toying with the public
    Looked down on police
    No interest in torture, all interest post mortem
    Curiosity big factor in motivation
    Last edited by Abby Normal; 12-01-2018, 02:46 PM.
    "Is all that we see or seem
    but a dream within a dream?"

    -Edgar Allan Poe


    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

    -Frederick G. Abberline

  • #2
    I'd like to follow all those bullet point statements with a question: Why?
    How did you arrive at those profile points?
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    • #3
      Yeah, but we're gonna need a name.

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      • #4
        Originally posted by Harry D View Post
        Yeah, but we're gonna need a name.
        Well we could start by seeing who it dosnt eliminate:


        Hutch
        Barnett
        Flemming
        Bury
        Lech
        Kelly

        It pretty much eliminates all the other major suspects like:
        Chapman
        Druitt
        Tumblety
        Koz
        "Is all that we see or seem
        but a dream within a dream?"

        -Edgar Allan Poe


        "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
        quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

        -Frederick G. Abberline

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        • #5
          I agree with “How did you reach those conclusions”
          G U T

          There are two ways to be fooled, one is to believe what isn't true, the other is to refuse to believe that which is true.

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
            Well we could start by seeing who it dosnt eliminate:


            Hutch
            Barnett
            Flemming
            Bury
            Lech
            Kelly

            It pretty much eliminates all the other major suspects like:
            Chapman
            Druitt
            Tumblety
            Koz
            Abby,

            How does ‘own place’ work for Hutch? Or ‘steady work’ for that matter?

            And if Hutch was Toppy, the age is out and he would have to have fitted a lot of work experience into his short life: groom, soldier/sailor, slaughterman.

            We know a fair bit about Lech and it seems extremely unlikely that he was in the military or the merchant navy. So surely that’s him out too?

            Gary

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            • #7
              Interesting profile Abby. Of course profiles are just a guide and the unsub is unlikely to fit the whole profile.

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              • #8
                Originally posted by MrBarnett View Post
                Abby,

                How does ‘own place’ work for Hutch? Or ‘steady work’ for that matter?

                And if Hutch was Toppy, the age is out and he would have to have fitted a lot of work experience into his short life: groom, soldier/sailor, slaughterman.

                We know a fair bit about Lech and it seems extremely unlikely that he was in the military or the merchant navy. So surely that’s him out too?

                Gary
                Hi gary
                I should have posted that i dont think its rock solid everthing i listed he must have, but i think most of them probably he would. And some of them i feel stronger about and would be more of a dealbreaker, and of course some suspects are missing more of these than others.

                But you got me thinking now alomg these lines. If i did hold strictly to this list and rule suspects out if even if they are missing even just one, is anyone left?
                Hutch would be out, because he dosnt have his own place, as would barnett and flemimg. That would leave bury, lech amd kelly?

                Anything on my list rule them out also?

                Did i just rule out my favored suspect hutch? Lol
                "Is all that we see or seem
                but a dream within a dream?"

                -Edgar Allan Poe


                "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                -Frederick G. Abberline

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                • #9
                  Originally posted by John Wheat View Post
                  Interesting profile Abby. Of course profiles are just a guide and the unsub is unlikely to fit the whole profile.
                  Of course absolutely.

                  Interestingly i think bury is one of the few suspects who still fits most if not all of these (that we know of course). Except former military navy/ sailor?

                  Do we know?
                  "Is all that we see or seem
                  but a dream within a dream?"

                  -Edgar Allan Poe


                  "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                  quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                  -Frederick G. Abberline

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by GUT View Post
                    I agree with “How did you reach those conclusions”
                    Hi gut, well that will be quite a task to do it individually but when i have the time ill try it.
                    "Is all that we see or seem
                    but a dream within a dream?"

                    -Edgar Allan Poe


                    "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                    quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                    -Frederick G. Abberline

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                    • #11
                      Aged 28-43
                      Below average height
                      Stout, powerfully built
                      Light brown/ ginger hair
                      mustache


                      These I assume were all from your interpretation of the witnesses?

                      Local, lived in immediate area

                      This I suspect was playing the odds.

                      Walked when committing murders, possible use of cart


                      I'm sure this reasonable, but I'm not sure what it tells us that is useful, other than the suspect was a Londoner.

                      English
                      Gentile


                      Sorry, but on what basis are either of these reached, as conclusions?

                      Steady work, probably involving manuel labor
                      Lower class but not poor
                      Had own place, though modest


                      These seem to be stacked assumptions. Why do we consider these over, for example, the possibility of a small private place of work, lock up, etc, that he could use to change or wash, without risk of being disturbed? A job away from manual labour, or access to a simple yard, could afford much the same advantage.

                      Frequented pubs and drinker

                      Based on anything other than his encountering prostitutes?

                      Single or dominated wife

                      Why? Other killers have maintained lives without spouses or others suspecting them.

                      Knew prostitues and socialized with
                      Had problems having sex


                      Is the latter of these part of a standard serial killer profile, or is there some reason in the evidence for it?

                      Former military and or navy/ sailor

                      Sorry, but...again, why?

                      Very familiar with knife
                      Accustomed to carrying knife before murder spree


                      Sorry, not trying to be rude by asking this over and again, but what is the evidence for this? What is it, about the wounds, that makes you think he was any more adept than a layperson?


                      Appears very cocky to people
                      Thinks he is smarter than anyone else
                      Self assured
                      Cunning
                      Experience cutting up animals


                      Is this based on the pattern of serial killers, or is there something in the evidence to suggest this?

                      Probable anatomical knowledge, possible medical/surgical experience


                      May I ask what this would explain, that experience and experimentation cutting up animals would not explain?

                      NO or very light criminal record
                      No overt mental illness


                      How did you reach these conclusions?

                      Read newspapers

                      This would be interesting. How did you discern this? Was he an usually literate labourer? Or could he have been in a lower level position where one would be expected to be more literate, for the age, like a foreman or clerk?

                      Main motivation-Fascinated with the female body and what his knife could do to it
                      Possible masterbation and or cannibalism with trophies/ parts
                      Secondary motivation-Enjoyed shocking / toying with the public


                      What, about the crimes, suggests he was toying with, or even aware of, public reaction?

                      Looked down on police
                      No interest in torture, all interest post mortem
                      Curiosity big factor in motivation


                      Why does this not suggest a LACK of anatomical knowledge, or access to any training or job (butchery or whatever) that might have offered more harmless means of satisfying the curiosity? In short, that he took to these acts of butchery, does not suggest a lack of previous knowledge, or training?
                      There Will Be Trouble! http://www.amazon.co.uk/A-Little-Tro...s=T.+E.+Hodden

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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
                        Hi gut, well that will be quite a task to do it individually but when i have the time ill try it.
                        Hi Abby,

                        Can I ask what leads you to conclude he was gentile?

                        Demographics show that the local population was vastly non gentle, and if a local man, surely the odds/probability must be along the same lines?

                        Steve

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Elamarna View Post
                          Hi Abby,

                          Can I ask what leads you to conclude he was gentile?

                          Demographics show that the local population was vastly non gentle, and if a local man, surely the odds/probability must be along the same lines?

                          Steve
                          Hi el and others
                          Due to popular demand, i will when i have time, break down my reasons for each point of profile.
                          "Is all that we see or seem
                          but a dream within a dream?"

                          -Edgar Allan Poe


                          "...the man and the peaked cap he is said to have worn
                          quite tallies with the descriptions I got of him."

                          -Frederick G. Abberline

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
                            Hi el and others
                            Due to popular demand, i will when i have time, break down my reasons for each point of profile.


                            I look forward to it Abby, seeing how others think is the only real way to progress debate.


                            Steve

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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Abby Normal View Post
                              Of course absolutely.

                              Interestingly i think bury is one of the few suspects who still fits most if not all of these (that we know of course). Except former military navy/ sailor?

                              Do we know?
                              Hi Abby

                              I don't think we can be 100 per cent certain Bury was not former military but knowing what we do about Bury i find it unlikely.

                              Cheers John

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