Spies And General Secret Squirrels

[SirJohnFalstaff]

Hi All,

I finally identified this symbol.

It was in Fairbairns Book of Family Crests [2 vols].

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It is the crest of the Archibald family, who were movers and shakers in Canada.

Palma non sine pulvere is the family motto. No reward without effort.

Regards,

Simon

He was lieutenant governor of Manitoba and a strong advocate in favor of the confederation.

He was involved in the defense of the country during the Fenian attacks.

[Abby Normal]

thanks all. interesting.

[Robert]

Abby :

https://www.durhamworldheritagesite.com/architecture/castle/intro/west-range/kitchen/pelican

[DJA]

As Horace put it ...... no palm without dust.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Abby,

It's a crest rather than a coat of arms, but how one arrives at 'No reward without effort' from a palm tree, a few rocks and what looks like a starfish is beyond me.

Good luck if you're thinking of trying to work it out.

Regards,

Simon

[Abby Normal]

yeah but what the hell is it? a palm, frond, quill, plume?
does the star mean royalty? and is the hairy thing at the bottom represent an island?

Coat of arms can be pretty wacky. My brother in law is Scottish and their coat of arms is a pelican ripping its own flesh off to feed its chicks. the motto is something like "from pain comes strength". weird.

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

I finally identified this symbol.

It was in Fairbairns Book of Family Crests [2 vols].



It is the crest of the Archibald family, who were movers and shakers in Canada.

Palma non sine pulvere is the family motto. No reward without effort.

Regards,

Simon

[Simon Wood]

Hi DJA,

That is spooky.

I am currently researching a book about the 1549 Prayer Book Rebellion.

Regards,

Simon

[DJA]

Your original post had me looking at the early 17th century,as I surmised it was associated with the Prayer Book Rebellion.

Edit. Oops,early 16th century.

http://www.myfamilysilver.com/pages/crestfinder-crest.aspx?id=133216&name=Archibald

[Simon Wood]

Hi DJA,

A good call. Thank you.

This is similar.



Regards,

Simon

[DJA]

It is a variation of the Scottish Archibald "coat of arms".

Ditat servata fides.

[Simon Wood]

Hi Robert,

Yes, he was a heavy hitter.

There's a lengthy piece about him in the NY Times, 30th January 1883.

Regards,

Simon

[Robert]

This guy seems to have been in the peerage, although there isn't a motto on the letter heading.

http://thepeerage.com/p34619.htm

[Simon Wood]

Hi All,

On 8th July 1882 Alan Pinkerton wrote to Prime Minister Gladstone, offering the services of his detective agency to discover the Phoenix Park murderers.

Pinkerton's letter was passed to Robert Anderson, who sought advice on the matter from Edward Mortimer Archibald, British Consul-General in New York, who at the time was in London.

In 1866 Archibald had put together a network of informers to keep tabs on the Fenians in North America.

Archibald's reply to Anderson was written on stationery bearing the estoile logo.



Regards,

Simon

[SirJohnFalstaff]

The star is an Estoile.

Are you reading a book concerning Foa press?

Yep.

Found this.

http://www.araltas.com/info/article05.html

an estoile on a coat of arms mean nobility. That's what I got so far.
There are some specificities if Scottish or Irish.