Shelley house location

[Joshua Rogan]

Dave Gates did some mapping of the torso finds a few years ago and there's also some more stuff about the location of Shelley House in the thread he started here:

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=5094&page=2

Thanks Debs! I remember reading that ages ago, and drawing my own map.

On the plus side, I've got a GPS app on my phone that I use for walking, and I've just managed to plot waypoints for a few victims. On the minus side, I've no idea how to share it here....

Does anyone know if it is possible to use the site with 1890s OS maps (or similar) to plot them?

[Joshua Rogan]

Ah, that's the website where I got the impression the theatre was in the back garden, but it actually only says it was "behind" the house. I suppose he could have had two houses within yards of each other....
No.1 Chelsea Emankment today is on the corner of the Embankment and Embankment Gardens. Which is where I originally thought the house in the 1909 picture was, except that Embankment Gardens didn't appear to have been built at the time (according to the OS map).

http://maps.nls.uk/geo/explore/#zoom=18&lat=51.4848&lon=-0.1601&layers=163&b=1

The grounds do seem to have an entrance on Tite St though, nearly opposite Dilke St.

[Debra A]

Dave Gates did some mapping of the torso finds a few years ago and there's also some more stuff about the location of Shelley House in the thread he started here:

http://forum.casebook.org/showthread.php?t=5094&page=2

[jerryd]

Here is Shelley vs Bethell (1884) regarding the theatre.

https://books.google.com/books?id=aBJQAQAAMAAJ&pg=PA244&lpg=PA244&dq=percy+shelley+and+tite+street+theatre+and+legal+matters&source=bl&ots=1lOA3dbgs1&sig=4O9veTW6cZLtN4BtMPMXYm8iSro&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjQtemJvanRAhUpqlQKHX9vDmUQ6AEIGjAA#v=onepage&q=percy%20shelley%20and%20tite%20street%20theatre%20and%20legal%20matters&f=false

[jerryd]

Cheers JD. That pic you just posted says the house contained the theatre, but you say it was elsewhere....that's the sort of thing that could confuse a simple person like me.

Hi Joshua,

This may clear it up for you.

http://www.theatrestrust.org.uk/resources/theatres/show/546-shelley-theatre

The front of the house I posted here could possibly be the Tite Street house which did contain a theatre?

[Joshua Rogan]

Cheers JD. That pic you just posted says the house contained the theatre, but you say it was elsewhere....that's the sort of thing that could confuse a simple person like me.

[jerryd]

Aaah, that would explain a lot! I thought I'd read that the theatre was built in the back garden of his house, but maybe that was a metaphorical back garden.
So the house did have the hospital grounds bordering it's east side?
Is t still there? Is it the one on the corner of Embankment Gardens?

The embankment house is gone. I did find this picture of the front. http://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-per...105317187.html

Shelley was involved in a legal battle with a neighbor over the theatre on Tite Street. I'll have to see if i can dig it up. The picture makes it seem as if he had a theatre in the embankment house but I think that is in error.

He had many houses if you look below the picture in the link.

Embankment Gardens was a different street a little to the east. John Paget Mellor lived at 1, Embankment Gardens.

[Joshua Rogan]

The address was 1, Chelsea Embankment. The theatre was in a different house on Tite Street.

Aaah, that would explain a lot! I thought I'd read that the theatre was built in the back garden of his house, but maybe that was a metaphorical back garden.
So the house did have the hospital grounds bordering it's east side?
Is t still there? Is it the one on the corner of Embankment Gardens?

[jerryd]

Thanks Jerry and Fish. I did find that thread, but I can't see the actual location/address of the house in it (my eyes are playing up though, so I may have missed it) - am I correct in thinking the address was 1, Tite Street? I saw the picture of the house from 1909 (very nice) and judging from the large conservatory on the side it looks like the easternmost house on the embankment; not actually in Tite St at all, but adjoining the hospital grounds.
Which fits with Debra's belief that it had a frontage on the embankment. But according to a site about the Shelley Theatre, it was demolished in 1912 and replaced by Shelley Court, which today is at 56 Tite St (on the west side, just up from Dilke St. However, this seems to have a date of 1898 on it, using Street view.

The address was 1, Chelsea Embankment. The theatre was in a different house on Tite Street.

[Joshua Rogan]

Thanks Jerry and Fish. I did find that thread, but I can't see the actual location/address of the house in it (my eyes are playing up though, so I may have missed it) - am I correct in thinking the address was 1, Tite Street? I saw the picture of the house from 1909 (very nice) and judging from the large conservatory on the side it looks like the easternmost house on the embankment; not actually in Tite St at all, but adjoining the hospital grounds.
Which fits with Debra's belief that it had a frontage on the embankment. But according to a site about the Shelley Theatre, it was demolished in 1912 and replaced by Shelley Court, which today is at 56 Tite St (on the west side, just up from Dilke St. However, this seems to have a date of 1898 on it, using Street view.

[Joshua Rogan]

id actually like to see a map of the city that included all the sites marked where the torsos/parts and ripper victims were found.

Yes, I'd like that too. I have a rough paper version, but it's barely legible. An interactive online one would be ace.

[jerryd]

Lol. No kidding

[Fisherman]

There´s an even race, Jerry!

[jerryd]

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=26569&highlight=Shelley+house

[Fisherman]

Access this:

http://www.jtrforums.com/showthread.php?t=26569&highlight=%22shelleys+house%22&page=4

...and you will find out!