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    London Police(re-opened)

    havent seen a thread dedicated to the london police and the MEt.

    I will start by stating the main characters.

    1)Inspector Frederick Abberline(1843-1929)Head of the detectives on the ground.Rank:Inspector first class.Warrent No.43519.Co division.
    2)Cheif inspector Walter Dew.(1863-1947)Warrent No.66711.On site on the Kelly case.
    3)Inspector Walter Andrews.(b.1847).Was sent to New York possibally to track down Tumblety.
    4)Sir Charels Warren.(1840-1927)Resigned on Nov 8th,1888.

    Hes a man count for 1888.
    Source: Dickens's Dictionary of London 1888 (ISBN 1-873590-04-0).

    City of London Police Force
    The City Police Force comprises 1 Commissioner, 1 Chief Superintendent, 1 Superintendent, 14 Inspectors, 92 Sergeants, and 781 Constables. The following is a list of divisions, with addresses of stations:-

    Cripplegate ~ More Lane
    Snow Hill ~ Snow Hill
    Bridwell Place ~ Bridwell Place
    Cloak Lane ~ Queen Street
    Tower Street ~ Seething Lane
    Bishopgate ~ Bishopgate Street



    Metropolitan Police Force
    The following is the Divisional distribution of the Metropolitan Police Force, with names of Superintendents and strength of Divisions. Total strength of all ranks, including superintendents 14,106:-

    C.O. or Commissioners' Office.
    Charles H. Cutbush, Supt. Executive Branch;
    Edward Ware, Supt. Public Carriage Branch;
    John Shore, Supt. Criminal Investigations Dept.;
    Inspectors 43, Sergeants 63, Constables 120. Total 229.

    A or Whitehall Division.
    King Street, Westminster.
    Joseph Henry Dunlap, Supt., also Charles Fraser;
    Inspectors, 38; Sergeants 60; Constables 835. Total 935.

    B or Chelsea Division.
    Walton Street, Brompton.
    Chas. W. Sheppard, Supt.;
    Inspectors 22; Sergeants 52; Constables 560. Total 635.

    C or St James's Division.
    Little Vine Street, Piccadilly.
    William G. Hume, Supt.;
    Inspectors 17; Sergeants 37; Constables 386. Total 441.

    D or Marylebone Division.
    Marylebone Lane.
    George Draper, Supt.;
    Inspectors 23; Sergeants 40; Constables 467. Total 531.

    E or Holborn Division.
    Bow Street.
    Rich. W. Steggles, Supt.;
    Inspectors 17; Sergeants 50; Constables 447. Total 515.

    F or Paddington Division.
    Paddington Green.
    Philip Giles, Supt.;
    Inspectors 21; Sergeants 41; Constables 377. Total 440.
    G or Finsbury Division.
    King's Cross Road.
    Charles Hunt, Supt.;
    Inspectors 23; Sergeants 46; Constables 480. Total 550.

    H or Whitechapel Division.
    Leman Street.
    Thos. Arnold, Supt.;
    Inspectors 30; Sergeants 44; Constables 473. Total 548.

    J or Bethnal Green Division.
    Bethnal Green Road.
    James Keating, Supt.;
    Inspectors 38; Sergeants 56; Constables 522. Total 617.

    K or Bow Division.
    Bow Road.
    George Steed, Supt.;
    Inspectors 48; Sergeants 71; Constables 619. Total 739.

    L or Lambeth Division.
    Lower Kennington Lane.
    James Brannan, Supt.;
    Inspectors 22; Sergeants 35; Constables 346. Total 404.

    M or Southwark Division.
    Blackman Street.
    Denis Neylan, Supt.;
    Inspectors 28; Sergeants 43; Constables 429. Total 501.

    N or Islington Division.
    Stoke Newington High Street.
    William J. Sherlock, Supt.;
    Inspectors 37; Sergeants 66; Constables 536. Total 640.

    P or Camberwell Division.
    High Street, Peckham.
    Thomas Butt, Supt.;
    Inspectors 44; Sergeants 68; Constables 599. Total 712.

    R or Greenwich Division.
    Blackheath Road, Greenwich.
    Christopher McHugo, Supt.;
    Inspectors 38; Sergeants 71; Constables 476. Total 586.

    S or Hampstead Division.
    Albany Street, Regent's Park.
    William Harris, Supt.;
    Inspectors 42; Sergeants 80; Constables 613. Total 736.

    T or Hammersmith Division.
    Broadway, Hammersmith.
    Wm. Fisher, Supt.;
    Inspectors 52; Sergeants 75; Constables 623. Total 751.

    V or Wandsworth Division.
    West Hill, Wandsworth.
    Davis Saines, Supt.;
    Inspectors 36; Sergeants 59; Constables 561. Total 657.

    W or Clapham Division.
    Brixton Road.
    Stephen Lucas, Supt.;
    Inspectors 39; Sergeants 72; Constables 571. Total 683.

    X or Kilburn Division.
    Carlton Terrace, Harrow Road.
    Frederick Beard, Supt.;
    Inspectors 40; Sergeants 53; Constables 469. Total 563.

    Y or Highgate Division.
    Kentish Town Road.
    William J. Huntley, Supt.;
    Inspectors 46; Sergeants 73; Constables 480. Total 727.

    Thames Division.
    Wapping, near the river.
    George Skeats, Supt,;
    Inspectors 49; Sergeants 4; Constables 147. Total 201.

    Woolwich Dockyard Division.
    Woolwich Arsenal.
    Thomas E. Hindes, Supt.;
    Inspectors 8; Sergeants 25; Constables 140. Total 174.

    Portsmouth Dockyard Division.
    Portsmouth.
    Wm. Ventham, Supt.;
    Inspectors 8; Sergeants 29; Constables 128. Total 155.

    Chatham Dockyard Division.
    Chatham.
    Geo. Godfrey, Supt.;
    Inspectors 6; Sergeants 24; Constables 157. Total 188.

    Pembroke Dockyard Divison.
    No Superintendent.
    Inspectors 2; Sergeants 4; Constables 28. Total 34.

    Now this is from memory, please feel free to correct me.

    I think the normal Police Constable in those days would carry around a whistle(only used on night shift), a lance wooden stave, a pair of iron cast shackles, and a lantern.
    Please add any thought that come to mind. I will be reopening this thread every now and then if it dissapears off the board.

    yours truly

    By phil Carter:
    Corey,

    Here's a link that is useful

    Just a moment...
    https://www.met.police.uk/history/records.htm


    best wishes

    Phil

    Police beats

    --------------------------------------------------------------------------------

    Im trying to get a better look into the lifes of the polce constable.
    These beat listings are courtisy of Casebook:jack the ripper.
    P.C Willaim Smith:The patrol covered Commercial Road, Berner Street, Grove Street, Christian Street, and Fairclough Street. This particular beat was described as "the Berner-street beat."

    1. Commecial Road
    2. Berner Street
    3. Dutfield's Yard
    4. Fairclough Street
    5. Christian Street
    6. Grove Street
    P.C Edward Watkins:From Duke Street through Heneage Lane, through a portion of Bury Street, then through Cree Church Lane, into Leadenhall Street, along Leadenhall Street into Mitre Street, then into Mitre Square, around the square, back into Mitre Street, then into King Street, along King Street, into St James Place, around St James Place, thence into Duke Street.
    1. Duke Street
    2. Heneage Lane
    3. Bury Street
    4. Cree Church Lane
    5. Leadenhall Street 6. Mitre Street
    7. Mitre Square
    8. King Street
    9. St James's Place
    P.C James Harvey:From Bevis Mark to Duke Street, into Little Duke Street, to Houndsditch, from Houndsditch back to Duke Street, along Duke Street to Church Passage, back again into Duke Street, to Aldgate, from there to Mitre Street, back again to Houndsditch, up Houndsditch, to Little Duke Street, again back to Houndsditch, to Goring Street, up Goring Street to Bevis Marks.
    1. Bevis Marks
    2. Little Duke Street
    3. Duke Street
    4. Houndsditch 5. Church Passage
    6. Aldgate
    7. Mitre Street
    8. Goring Street

    Thats all I have found so far. Any additions please add them.

    By Mike Covell:
    There is a fantastic article on this very site containing the same information you have posted. Written by Andrew L Morrison and entitled An Introduction to the Metropolitan Police, here, http://www.casebook.org/police_officials/mepo.html

    There is another great article written by Simon Wood, containing the list of H-Division Personnel here, http://www.casebook.org/dissertation...personnel.html

    A massive collection of material on Police Officials here, http://www.casebook.org/police_officials/
    And forums devoted to Police Officials here, http://forum.casebook.org/forumdisplay.php?f=6

    By Monty:
    Roy,

    The Met police had prisoner transporters, pulled by dray horses, in 1858. Called black marias (a un PC name. Named after a infamous negro lodging house keeper from Boston, USA who was renouned for being a bit of a brawler), the were re-enforced coaches. The fore runners of todays police vans.

    The PCs commandeered hansom cabs, carts, anything really in times of need.
    Washington Irving:

    "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

    Stratford-on-Avon
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    Photos

    Sources:http://www.walksoflondon.co.uk/28/ja...r-photos.shtml
    Google.com
    Museum of london.com
    Attached Files
    Washington Irving:

    "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

    Stratford-on-Avon

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    • #3
      Thread use

      This thread is only for the discussion of 1888 police constables methods, rules, procedures,storys, and about other ranks in the City of London or Metropolitan police forces and idavidual members of these forces during 1888.

      Please stay on topic.
      Thank you.
      Washington Irving:

      "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

      Stratford-on-Avon

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      • #4
        Open

        any thoughts????
        Washington Irving:

        "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

        Stratford-on-Avon

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        • #5
          Does anyone know where I can find a good copy(without the add ons) of this MET police photo?
          Attached Files
          Washington Irving:

          "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

          Stratford-on-Avon

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            Scotland Yard Investigates by Evans and Rumbelow.
            Regards Mike

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              Thanks Mike.
              Washington Irving:

              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

              Stratford-on-Avon

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              • #8
                Hi Corey,

                you can safely suppress Godley's question mark.
                As to Abberline...I haven't followed the recent discussions...
                According to Donald Rumbelow, he could the prognathous guy to the right of "DS Cumner?".
                A bit too prognathous, that Abberline, if you want my opinion.
                I prefer yours.

                Amitiés,
                David

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                • #9
                  David,

                  This chart wasn't done by me. I think that is possibally abberline. I think it is also possible that the man in the centre with a walking stick could also be Srg.Godley.

                  Yours truly
                  Washington Irving:

                  "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                  Stratford-on-Avon

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                  • #10
                    Seems the proper thread to ask this...
                    Anyone knows the names of PCs 232 and 539, from K division ?

                    Amitiés,
                    David

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                    • #11
                      Anyone know the answers to that question?

                      PC 232 and PC 539, K division, Bow road?

                      Yours truly
                      Washington Irving:

                      "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                      Stratford-on-Avon

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                      • #12
                        Hi Corey,

                        their names must be listed somewhere...
                        I'd really like to know...for I believe they barely missed the Ripper...
                        Thanks for asking again!

                        Amitiés,
                        David

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                        • #13
                          David,

                          The murdered was described as being found in a "cal-de-sac". It was right off Whitechapel road wasn't it?

                          I think this murder may be ficticious. I have only read the story in my "A-Z".

                          Yours truly
                          Washington Irving:

                          "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                          Stratford-on-Avon

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                          • #14
                            No Corey, they are the ones who ran to Ada Wilson's home, in Maidman Street (Bow).

                            Amitiés,
                            David

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                            • #15
                              David,

                              Oh, I guess I still have that story you presented still stuck in my head.

                              Hope we find out.

                              Yours truly
                              Washington Irving:

                              "To a homeless man, who has no spot on this wide world which he can truly call his own, there is a momentary feeling of something like independence and territorial consequence, when, after a weary day's travel, he kicks off his boots, thrusts his feet into slippers, and stretches himself before an inn fire. Let the world without go as it may; let kingdoms rise and fall, so long as he has the wherewithal to pay his bills, he is, for the time being, the very monarch of all he surveys. The arm chair in his throne; the poker his sceptre, and the little parlour of some twelve feet square, his undisputed empire. "

                              Stratford-on-Avon

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